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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago

“I don't want a job.” That is to say the thing I want is not a job. If it involves a job, that’s very much nice. 𝘉𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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It was the same with grad school. I wanted to get into grad school. I didn't know how to communicate was: 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘥 𝘴𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘭.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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How to communicate this? If I don’t get it, then I don’t get it. If I have to stress about it, I won’t do it. The route there may involve stress; many worthy things do. But I will let it happen as it does. 𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘪𝘵.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I won’t abandon my integrity in the process of getting there. There’s a way in which I realise my integrity on my journey is more important than the thing. 𝘞𝘩𝘰 𝘢𝘮 𝘐 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩? 𝘐𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘮𝘺𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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It’s like when I realised when my ex had always been trying to tell me. She didn’t care about the place, Yatharth. She cared about 𝘮𝘦. https://t.co/Uo6rbMRUOF

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 4 years ago

[inspired by a real-life conversation with an ex] she said: I don’t care where we go, Yatharth. Italy or LA. I just wanna hang out with YOU.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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There was a way in which she was more committed to presence with me than with catching the bus on time. I didn’t get that at first. It’s a kind of refusal to abandon yourself; an ability to see yourself and your relationship as greater than the circumstances that succeed you.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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What I’m saying is: There is no opportunity great enough to make me leave my sphere of integrity. (Like I so often did.) https://t.co/vtwFdvIhJp

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

but no i get to stay, and build a home from where i am a place of continuing, evolving integrity https://t.co/mtsrvH1yrn

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I’m not a scared little kid trying to run around and make everything happen anymore. 𝘐 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯 𝘰𝘧𝘧 𝘰𝘳 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶. I might want to. But I am unmoved by your scarcity.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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(Does this feel like a conversation with my parents? It’s totally a conversation with my parents and society and the well-meaning lindy structures of scarcity I absorbed.) https://t.co/a3W1tH7NwT

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

They’re unlearning the lie that it was 𝘣𝘢𝘥 to lose $30. They’re unlearning the lie that it’s a 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘭 to lose $30. It’s none of those things actually. Losing $30 isn’t a big deal. But acting as if it was WAS a lindy rule to keep you from ruin. https://t.co/911jobA1tk

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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“𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘥 𝘴𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘭.” I want to get in. But the thing itself is not the grad school. I’d like to get in, I’ll take steps to make it happen. But I won’t stress about it.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Hmm. That’s not quite it. I’ll stress about it. I’ll be happy to accept stress about it. But I won’t 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘵. https://t.co/phVPbF90CR https://t.co/XHIiOsyH1E

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I won’t sign away my autonomy into doing it, because I 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵. I can try, but it would be fake. Because it’s not the thing I’m actually committed to. It’s not the thing. https://t.co/s13eEjQ2G9

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

I never liked thinking of the boddhisatva vows a choice. They’re more a description. Of a readiness of “Oh, even if I wanted to, I couldn’t not see how the universe is already in motion to be a boddhisatva.”

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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It feels like when I say, “that’s not the thing,” I’m trying to point a move that I am refuse to make. Where I commit to doing it, as if it was its own dead sake, instead of embedded in a much larger, worthy context.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Because then suddenly, it becomes something different. I lost something. It went from being something I had autonomy over, something I was playing-to-win. Ssomething where I had zero drama about 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘪𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 that wanted this (me) and why . . . https://t.co/eMTlEDBiKR

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago

What I need to do is driven by expectations. Like getting a 100 on a test. I can get less than that. I’m always worried about getting less than that. Even when I do get a 100, it’s really more just relief than pleasure. https://t.co/yHu9KTusHG

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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. . . and instead it became something bigger than me, something I felt beheld to. I didn’t want to do it anymore; I resented it. It no longer 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩 doing, because it had lost its worthy context. https://t.co/lSvZ0h475r

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

It’s like I have two modes of navigating in the world. - The first is I’m motivated by worthy contexts. - The second is I do things because of my worrying mind. I used the second for most of my life. I only knew what it was like to have the second.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Somehow in promising I will do it, I had lost something; I had let the egregore become bigger than me, and become lost within it. https://t.co/hI7Sg5IgVI

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

Relating to the version of the Thing I care about, rather than the one I find tortured, torturing. https://t.co/El06GbeNxA

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵 do that, I can’t promise that with sovereignty, because I’m not committed to doing it. “I can’t vow to that. This is not a choice. It is a description of the state of affairs.” https://t.co/jfYPJeK8dn

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

What’s it like to think of vows and commitments in your life like that? Not as a choice, but as a description of what is already true.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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“I can fake-vow to you. If you pressure me. Eventually, when I become strong enough, I will either overthrow you or whatever sense of scarcity led me to do it, or honour it anyway, just out of respect, but not do such things again.” https://t.co/JSlKWFVE1P

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

So the child’s only options are 1. stay under yoke of violence forever 2. become strong enough to not care about such violence anymore, but oops now they are in an undifferentiated world They have to learn now.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I don’t want to commit to doing it—just to soothe someone’s anxiety. Just to present a normal, conventional interface where if I say I’m applying to grad school, it means “i commit to doing this. that is the thing i want.” It’s not.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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It means “I’ll still figuring things out, and this is the best guess I have for right now, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘧 𝘐 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘰𝘶𝘵, 𝘪𝘵 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘰 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨.” https://t.co/G7HZelEj5L

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

I want to make YouTube videos. This doesn’t mean - I will make YouTube videos. - I am committing to make YouTube videos. - If I don’t make YouTube videos, this is further evidence I do not do what I want. It just means I want to make YouTube videos.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Whatever move would entail me committing to that, I want to just not-do that. Why would I commit to it??? Why???? Am I dumb?? I don’t want to; what I am committed to is exploring. Accept my vow on that level. That I “vow to continue exploring this.” https://t.co/ls1TOBjKjn

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

You can’t vow to something you’re not already (prepared to be) committed to. You can take a vow even when not sure. Even then, what you’re vowing to and affirming is, “Hey, I have an intrigue here.” That much is true. I will affirm that.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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And I take that vow to explore this seriously. But I can’t precommit to eventually deciding to wanting to this. I can’t authentically say that. https://t.co/9FyujHcbuF

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

@rothosphere - If I don’t make YouTube videos, this is further evidence I do not do what I want. It is in this sense in which the third point is just false. Not making videos doesn’t mean “I don’t do what I want” (the collective phrase/meme).

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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The thing I want is to stay connected to my worthy context, and it so happens grad school or the job are currently part of it, and you are invited to help me along in this journey, as I authentically commit to whatever I can commit to right now.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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“Authentically” here maybe means: from a place of budding autonomy and *non-naïve self-trust*. Non-naïve trust in the sense that it’s actually built on something. Validated, checked through experience, built. https://t.co/jWHR4zu9SA

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 4 years ago

I THINK (provisionally) it really does come down to trusting myself. A non-naïve trust. Trust that is not just wished for, but built. https://t.co/00AIHvmZf8

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Autonomous in the sense of it is part of an ego-structure I am creating that I identify with and feel good about, not some super-ego I will eventually tear down becase I resent it (or be too weak and live a resentful, unfree life).

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I suspect @nvpkp would get what I’m saying. Her brain seems to work differently; here, maybe similar enough to mine. https://t.co/tJVRSEZxoh

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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“The job is not the thing I want.” I do not just want the job for job or school for the school. There is a basic social contract implied there, but that’s 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘵 𝘐’𝘮 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯. It’s not worth it to me. https://t.co/CJJTcbaGOx

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 4 years ago

Maybe what makes a normie a normie is a normie fundamentally accepts the basic social contract of life and doesn’t find a problem with it—to be successful, marry, have kids, so forth

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Not that it’s unpleasant, but it’s not what I’m living for. It’s not the thing. And it’s so easily mistaken as the thing.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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To put it like that (“the job is what I want”) knocks me into an adjacent, very similar-looking, but critically different rut: of just wanting the job for the job

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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And because I didn’t know better, all I knew is suddenly I didn’t wanna do the thing anymore; it had lost its worthy context That’s why I feel threatened by interacting with people who strongly infer it that way, and sort of have no way to infer otherwise (e.g. parents).

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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It’s literally destabilising to talk to them, because I don’t fully know what I want too well yet, except that there’s consistent move that they manage to make (of no fault to them) that makes me feel off-balance again.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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I’m not fully confident in what I’m trying to do yet. If I was, I wouldn’t feel so threatened by all this as much, because I’d just continue to know what I want. https://t.co/h59xIYLArM

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

or in fact, rebel against it the old-fashioned way—become increasingly unhappy with the rules until you act out! become a teenager. get into enough shit that the *actual environment rewards* finally start to feel bigger than the loud emotional voices that’d drown everything out https://t.co/cFBzW69mOk

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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The less scared I become, the more robustly I know myself, and the more robustly I know myself, the less scared I become.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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My best summary of this thread: There is this thing I try to avoid doing, which make a mental move that says “This job thing or grad school thing is the thing I want to do” that suddenly makes it feel disconnected from my sense of why I wanted to do it or why it felt worthy to do

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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The best way I had to point at it was to say: “The job is not the thing.” Because it’s not. The thing I was committing to was not the job. It was towards moving in its direction. At all times connected to a sense of self, and why I wanted to do it, and a sense that

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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𝘐, as the person I am on a journey of life with, kinda matter more than the circumstances of the vacation I find myself in; I don’t want to have taken an entire vacation with my partner and have missed it, because I was trying to figure out logistics.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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Nor do I want to have lived, and missed the sense of freedom and autonomy.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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When I say, “That is not the thing I want,” I mean that I am committed to something greater than that particular thing, which is a sense of the journey & worthy context overall, and I am not committing in authentically to something to which I don’t feel committed.”

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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If I think, “I think I should move in this direction,” I’ll say that, instead of saying, “I will move in that direction,” because sayig “I think I should move” is really saying “I want to continue trying to move in this direction, and seeing how it works out.”

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 4 years ago
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@Malcolm_Ocean do you have any words for any of this?

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 4 years ago
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@AskYatharth yeah "What I want is not a job" that seems close. I'm not sure I can render it any pithier than that "I want something on a different level than [a job]" "I want something that could be served by some jobs and not others"

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