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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

I want to make YouTube videos. This doesn’t mean - I will make YouTube videos. - I am committing to make YouTube videos. - If I don’t make YouTube videos, this is further evidence I do not do what I want. It just means I want to make YouTube videos.

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth Agreed on the first two, but isn't the third true?

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@rothosphere Not really. Because what it is is allowing the seed of an idea to grow. If I spontaneously and patiently happen to find myself making videos . . . great. Otherwise . . . it wasn’t a conscious, willing intention to manipulate myself I could fail at.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere Saying “I want to” here ~= “I am noticing a desire to / It would be nice to.” It is ≠ to “I am intending to / I will endorse & embark on a journey to.”

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere Noting desire without creating intention.

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth I think I agree with all that. But the third point still seems just logically literally true -- like it's true so long as you are still wanting the thing and are not doing it. It stops being true either when you do the thing, or when you stop wanting to.

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@AskYatharth wanting isn't a commitment, nor is it bad to want things and not commit to or do them, etc etc

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@rothosphere You’re not wrong, nor am I. For me, and many others, the meme “If I don’t [do X], this is further evidence I do not do what I want” comes with a barrage of baggage.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere - I am a failure. - I must become increasingly concerned with this problem. - My word is worth nothing. - I cannot intentionally work towards anything.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere In the sense in which I mean “want”—simply noticing a desire—the rest of this baggage is just false. - I’m not a failure [this is confused]. - Not actually a problem; I don’t need to solve this. - This is ≠ giving my word.

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth It seems like the original tweet may have been more about the associated baggage then? I'm kind of stubbornly hammering at this point i know but i just want to be like "you notice a desire for a thing, and assuming that desire persists and you don't do it--

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@AskYatharth then this is absolutely and reasonably interpretable as you not doing the thing you want." (and that's totally fine and normal and we're all doing it all the time because we want far more things than we have the resources to do/have/enact)

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@AskYatharth unless i am completely missing you

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere - If I don’t make YouTube videos, this is further evidence I do not do what I want. It is in this sense in which the third point is just false. Not making videos doesn’t mean “I don’t do what I want” (the collective phrase/meme).

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere You’re breaking down the words individually, which is perfectly reasonable I’m treating “I don’t do what I want” as a collective of words that takes on its own meaning. The same way that “You never help with the dishes” means more than [you] [never] [help] [with] [the dishes].

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere Of course, the real reason is I had articulated none of this before your grilling (thank you, @rothosphere). I myself know better what I mean now. Before it was just a felt sense. It was True. I really did feel it, and the truth in it. Now I know how.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere You may not have this meme. But the “I am starting to feel I not do what I want, and I feel a spiralling loss of control” is absolutely a real experience for me, and I’d hasten for many others. https://t.co/33qMIXMyOM

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago

@AskYatharth mayybe the thing might be that you're responding to an attitude/meme that I just haven't really been exposed to

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@rothosphere I started feeling it in college, switching fields every 6 months and blaming myself for not sticking to anything, or completing any project My energy became more & more frantic, as I panicked about this development, and became quite blaming and upset with myself for a few years

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth Totally. Was just trying to understand my own confusion.

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@rothosphere It ended up prompting the most fantastic reflection from you. Thank you so much for prodding. This is exactly what I was hoping for from this thread.

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Gnostrils@gnostrilsabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth mayybe the thing might be that you're responding to an attitude/meme that I just haven't really been exposed to

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

Thank you to @rothosphere for prodding me on what I mean in the replies. This is totally what I was hoping for when I post to Twitter. Notice some personal, felt sense. Then figure what I meant by it. https://t.co/3fSwngv4xm

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

@rothosphere It ended up prompting the most fantastic reflection from you. Thank you so much for prodding. This is exactly what I was hoping for from this thread.

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