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Watching Joe Rogan's talk with Alex Jones.He's got a bad case of memes. Poor fuck still thinks that all that stuff was done years ago and 'perfected', and now we are being prepped for it. How long till he brings up 'secret government slush funds' to justify his belief systems?
I talk to my family about that kind of thing a lot. We're all crazy.He mentions human-animal hybrids; I thnk he's talking about the soviet era 'Experiments In The Revival Of Organisms' and the similar research we had in the states?
Some of my family calls me an ignorant fool for not believing this stuff. Jokes on them. Spending their time reading second hand ghost stories and conspiracy theories, and various folk theories. They might as well be listening to gossip.
I ask my family 'how'? They just wave their hands. Meanwhile I'm holding my tongue because I know how they do it and they'll think i'm a demon. I spend time reverse engineering how to do a lot of it without any of slushfund or centralized agency pulling strings behind a curtain.
Hilarious to think Alex Jones is only just now figuring out he's a victim of the 'this is phil fish effect' and the nature of the overton window.It's like living life with blinders on, looking for narrative demons & spooks behind the curtain. Seeing agency where none exists.
I remember my mom talking to me about human animal hybrids years before Alex Jones even brought that. I'm sitting there snickering because I've known about that stuff since gradeschool, and understood the basics of gentics since before we even had classes on the stuff.
My uncle sometimes name drops various interest groups to sound mysterious & give some weight to his ghost stories. I'm snickering because I've already mapped a lot of the groups he mentions & have fun poking holes.Its like a game where the person who can bullshit better wins.
Of course he's just parroting something he heard in the news, or from the sensationalizers like Glen Beck.Please. Its my fucking hobby to find out where people get their information. I explored Glen Beck in 2008 when he joined Fox news.
I imagine the world must be very scary. I keep ratcheting up the social networks until I find a credible source. Instead they get stuck and sucked into a lullaby by some pendant weaving a narrative.I wish I could take comfort in that certainty, like so many seem to do.
I'm at a point in the interview where they've googled one of his rantings about pig-human hybrids (from MIT Technology Review). I think I'm following one of the paper's authors here on Twitter because of learning about another group who were putting brain cells in rodents.
And Joe's just exasperated because he can't keep up with Alex's chaotic headspace.I think its easier for me because I've learned to predict how people go off on tangents and get distracted in their train of thought.I wish I had the personality to do a talkshow like that.
An aside, they keep cutting between the two speakers. I keep seeing Joe who's saying things into the mic that sound smart. Do you think they're using one of the reality TV cut effects there? I'm not familiar with the format they use or how much editing is done on it.
I think a lot about how easy it is to stitch together videos to create an illusion of discourse. This Weird AL skit with Eminem always pops into my head when I see jump cuts. https://t.co/WMft4dziIq
My bias here: I have a project that involves stitching together clips of youtube videos for creating super-cuts, & background knowledge on how that editing process works. I wanted to be a film-editor in 8th grade and spent time learning a lot of AV software packages.
Oh wow, now Alex is angry at Joe for "knowing all about it". This is what it's like for me at family events -> its like a penis measuring contest over knowledge. Poor Alex has no idea that Joe did an interview with Robert Sapolsky on the topic of T Gondii?https://t.co/PLSuHQydVO
The "breakaway civilization" idea is the meme that spawned the C.I.T. Plot line within Fallout 4.Did you know you're being conditioned thru ur vidya games to accept human machine hybrids /shttps://t.co/B2tzA4LLif
I wonder how many of the writers of Fallout 4 realized they were baking in a controversial narrative framing of MIT?https://t.co/sjCFucvwg6
That would explain nebulous cancer risk people can't seem to pinpoint. But it is next to impossible to look up. When you do, you get 50 articles about Martha's theories about energy healing salt crystals. Web is too littered w/ conspiracy theories to find or fund honest studies.
What I think is happening is that networks of gossip and misinformaiton are being spread on the back of an anti-state sentiment. People whip up stuff like https://t.co/cF3ZIAL3LY in with their particular narrative framing and run with it.
Example: People talk smart meters as invasion of state regulations + a security risk. But no one cares about it.But you say "oh noes, Gubberment is forcing Radio Fequency CANCER to kill YOUR KIDS" bam!BTW, I can tell when my neighbor turns on his TV.https://t.co/vyDihmtc9m
"Bitcoin was invented by [the devil/CIA/lizzard people/illuminati] to bring on the one-world government that 'the globalists' want." is really powerful meme if you wanna protect your community from predatory schemes like that OneCoin affiliate networks that was spreading around.
I'm half tempted to look for and spread a meme on essential oils being a government conspiracy to poison your kids, because i'm seeing so much garbage coming out of the MLM space. I don't have the reach or influence to do so, and honestly it might just make the problem worse.
I'm still salty about https://t.co/Yy61X2O56H and how most essential oils are fake. There was a nice one I found a while back that actually repelled spiders thru some terpenes. But the market got overrun by louses. Snake oil salesmen: a manifestation of the serpent lying to eve.
I've noticed some of the ants in the backyard are infected by mites. I think there might be some plant oils that could heal them, and then they would start competing with the spiders. Some strange stuff about this in the science https://t.co/m13tz5FQUT
But I can't actually confirm any of the essential oils are what is on the label anymore. There is no quality control. I think I even saw one that was using the 'fake' orange flavoring that we use to lie about orange juice. The market sees the demand and sells bullshit in a jar.
I don't think it is a mistake Alex has the background he does; one so similar to my own family history. My thinking is that collecting these kinds of memetic rituals is (was?) a good defense mechanism against the unknown dangers of the world. He's acting as a modern soothsayer.
When you start looking at memetic rituals as cultural magic - a series of rituals around contamination and decontamination of society (one fundamentally promulgated on purity) -quickly start to see these patterns everywhere.Witch Doctors as Meme Traders?https://t.co/2SME7SMeGX
Huh, cellphone radiation study talks about sleep issues related to brainwaves.Going to have to dig into that to see if they have idea what causes brain wave changes.If it also shows up in rats, could perhaps see if it aligns with gut microbes and https://t.co/Q1fbM0WFaB
"Long-term Continuous EEG Monitoring in Small Rodent Models of Human Disease Using the Epoch Wireless Transmitter System" might do the trick. tho seems barbaric.https://t.co/QCYGRMDwvV
That argument is a case of "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" acting itself out in the mind of someone having no idea what is going on at technological level, but is acute aware of social trends + acts as a conduit for a particular memetic godhead.
What is fun to do is get three of these kinds of people in a room together and try to get them to all agree, and then slowly realize that they are all talking about different gods. This is a great way to avoid your alcoholic family members for long periods of time.
He's talking about people tripping while sleeping due to sleep apnea and other breathing problems, and further reinterpreting as the sensation of talking with aliens? Alex has been researching his own etiology. I bet he has those experiences as he says. https://t.co/4QS0M2yor9
Imagine having a deep experience via LSD - thinking you're talking with aliens or some other thing your brain makes a connection on. Then add in a bit of agency projection due apophenia. Start reading about LSD experiments government was doing in the 60s. You'd sound crazy too.
Half my family experience that. It gets narrativized it within their dominate egregore: viewed as speaking with god, seeing spirits/angels, or some other psychotic sound experience. Its really easy to twist that experience and convince them it was aliens. https://t.co/91Q731FPcB
"With conspiracies rampant on all sides, knowing how to spot them and react to them grows more complicated each day. You can't stop them, but you can prevent them from spreading."https://t.co/MKxT2pEVLi
He bombards you with insight porn and then slows his cadence - creating a sort of dramatic emotional journey. He's a master showman - using his own underlying behavior toward being entertaining. It's infectious and easy to consume if you already have a mental framework for it.
"Eighteen (eight female) right-handed, healthy volunteers were recruited through local advertisement" means this fails the "WEIRD" test; it only tells us that people around Cambridge correlate delusion with Fronto-striatal prediction error. https://t.co/PraW73kPRm
A good critique of the joe rogan episode."the flipside of inviting Jones on a world-famous podcast to say dumb things for five hours is that there are people out there who listened to the episode and did come away believing that humanoids might be real"https://t.co/u3nJfTlACU
Although, having been interested in neuroscience since I was a child... I must sincerely ask... what is a humanoid?https://t.co/B2J11drNnI
I'm all for critique'ing odd comments that Jones talks about... But please FFS, do your research before writing. Jones' MO is all about saying things that seem outrageous but are actually rooted in real phenomena - that's how he feeds you his brand of misinfo.
30 seconds... I find two articles that seem to corroborate his views.Here's human-animal hybrid: https://t.co/P7q6OW62hSHere's story about harvesting prisoners for organs in china: https://t.co/yru0zU7NtfEverybody drinking his brand of coolaid weaponizes this against you.
The art of conspiracy theory is to create plausible re-envisionings of reality - a different narrative frame from those the mainstream use. He's not 'just making shit up'. He's referencing real things, but connecting together under a lens that suggests conspirators are behind it.
The author of that piece exploring how Rogan seemingly acts a conduit for "the intellectual dark web" ends up falling for the traps this other piece talks about: accidentally spreading misinfo by 'mainstreaming the fringe'. https://t.co/cCCznPf7Ba
Its frustrating to see jones being placed on the same level as musk. While the author seems to be trying to attack Rogans credibility with that framing, what they're also doing is relating two iconclastic people via an implicit association thru the nebulous definition of the IDW.
Rogan's show is structured and predicated around the idea of interviewing interesting people, so that comparison isn't imparted as explicitly. The very structure of the show - a series of interviews with cultural iconoclasts - removes much of that accidental cross validation.
The rest of the critique seems more reasonable, I just wish it wasn't trying to leverage the situation around Alex Jones as a way to frame the situation. There's a reason why I didn't link to that interview here. In the end, slate is just spreading the content wider.
Would be funny if someone created a voice clone of Alex Jones like they did to Joe Rogan, used a style transfer system to translate the framing of the language to his sensationalism, and then had a visual puppet of him reading from this book.https://t.co/OZrdcxlgEb
"What about crisper, and what do you think is going to come out of that, in terms of like real-world application for an adult.If people don't know about CRISPR, please explain it in laymen's terms."https://t.co/Uy9W23j9dkhttps://t.co/41XNzTvnhi
> Designer dogsyou say? funny that.Tired: Babylon WorkingWired: Arise Doggo, Arise.https://t.co/XJZsGMoFMJ
"I think the public is going to be concerned, and I am as well, that we're just kind of pushing forward with science without having a proper conversation about what we should or should not do."https://t.co/NobbZR4fnzhttps://t.co/QGPBs1woxu
Current Status: attempting to steelman "makes the frogs gay" thing that Alex Jones goes on about. Curious about how Atrazine might affect microbiome.Figured out a way to create a population sink for cane toads using natural ant-based pest control behaviors + false mating calls.
"successful experiment showed that human cells can survive and proliferate in monkey embryos, in relatively high numbers. The goal, the team says, is to make better models for studying biological development, evolution, disease progression and treatments."https://t.co/nrvFZX1HSl
Do you ever wanna learn how to DIY trepan to see what happens if you hook up your own brain cells to a computer chip?https://t.co/LgQitt9f9x
Why go thru all this trouble of setting up smoke and mirrors to run human-AI hybrids when you can just make literal human-AI hybrids and have them live on nutrient brine like some kind of matrix based computation system.https://t.co/mqi7YFCKtM
I found some old notes today from 2013 where I basically predicted how to implement the hybrid human-ai centaur system behind Google Assistant, Alexa, and Cortana.I was going to call itThoth Transcription Services, LLC.https://t.co/sKEJhU6YXS https://t.co/h1gXEL2OVR
I can't sleep, the sleep demons will get me.https://t.co/0cUvrsS1LS https://t.co/JgbeauKU2i
Is cloning your dog too expensive?Have you considered uploading them instead?They can live in your VR portrait frames, on your desktop, and in your headset. Fido will be immersed in a virtual world where they will know no pain. Waiting for you.https://t.co/0pCNceowfN
You don't need to actually keep the Pidgeon's body around if you can stick an electrode into the part of the brain that triggers pecking behavior. Think of how much cancer we could detect if we had bird brains in vats wired up to machines?!https://t.co/af4M8k9j9Q
Oh wow, they already did this?"Now, thanks to the generosity of a small number of human brain tissue donors and the ingenuity of Segev’s multidisciplinary team of collaborators, a new solution is forming — one neuron at a time." https://t.co/LthvQn3CGN
Oh hey, this is already happening too!"it would establish an avian alternative to the successful neuroscientific inquiries on categorization that use rodent and primate models."https://t.co/oNrVLXVJnO
I can't wait until I can interact with a virtual pigeons living in a pen half way around the world being used to feed animal-AI hybrids to aid in visual tasks.https://t.co/4WlzNy6eGx
Pets first. Your cute little sidekick in your VR MMO game that you have to take care of like a tomagachi is a real pet. The same technology will power medical research and also act as the navigation brains behind those robot dogs to give them more agency.https://t.co/MjWhEfwqM8
Project Pidgeon? BF skinner was a dork. https://t.co/aiDyTAJXBMhttps://t.co/1XwkXlB4uF
Tired: bio inspired algorithmsWired: bio integrated hybrid algorithmshttps://t.co/vhB0T2Qfoh
Hired: putting a rat in a tiny car to see if you can use them to navigate robot dogs using drone based telerobotic systems.I'm sure they don't realize this is what is going to be done with it. But hey, at least the rats are happy and get fruitloops.https://t.co/UpqHv2dDtv
Project wreckingball.When it's unethical to create human super soldiers, you just make the rats smarter and use them.Life.... Uh... Finds a way.https://t.co/zMeyrMuvoZ
> "transgenic monkeys to study human genes linked to brain evolution is a very risky road to take," James Sikela, a geneticist working with primates at the University of Colorado, [...] "It is troubling that the field is steamrolling along in this manner." https://t.co/0yO2cdp6Dc
I think it would be fun to work on Alex Jones' research team. I steelman this stuff for fun.https://t.co/gtkc1nbt0u
Do you ever watch a 55 minute presentation on specuatations on military applications of brain-computer interfaces by a former CIA intelligence person trying to predict the future, and realize that you knew more than them?https://t.co/PSfGa58GN6https://t.co/k64UrO3FqE
"But like any good science fiction, it’s only a matter of time before some manner of it seeps into our reality. This week’s Nature published the findings of researchers who managed to restore function to pigs’ brains that were clinically dead." https://t.co/dJ2LnXXLNK
"But it was the gamma waves that pointed toward the man replaying memories from throughout his life in his brain — a phenomenon known as life recall."https://t.co/RmaxIkAJiS
Laughter and meditation fix gamma waves too AFAICT. It's funny to look at laughing yogi(?) in india. They are all able to live until they are quite old. They attrib to laughter too IIRC. https://t.co/wWNt0XVZh0https://t.co/eCYwo8ONz5 https://t.co/dpgGFiB5mR
Laugh with me."What this means is that humor actually engages the entire brain -- it is a whole brain experience with the gamma wave band frequency and humor, similar to meditation, holds it there; we call this being 'in the zone,'"https://t.co/pVV5iLMpMw https://t.co/qPRaT80N4x
"details a promising new approach to artificially stimulate gamma brain waves using light and sound therapy, to increase connectivity and synchrony and delay the onset of this deadly disease."https://t.co/nctkAiIkwl
What are the brain waves like in a resurrected pig brain?https://t.co/zCgWeC1UJ2
"in their solution that inhibit neural activity, hypothesizing that the tissues would be more likely to show some recovery if cellular activity were reduced. Had these blockers been removed at some point, perhaps the team would have detected EEG activity."https://t.co/FhYNj6iHCp
"As long as scientists have understood the role of the mammalian brain, there have been efforts to reanimate it. “To conduct an energetic fluid to the general seat of all impressions,” the Italian physicist Giovanni Aldini wrote" https://t.co/V8HElq1b7y
I love watching Alex Jones just rattle off stuff he's read during an adrenaline rush. He's like me FR.https://t.co/hTVoBbnUm5
Would be funny if I meet Alex Jones one day, I think it would be fun to talk with him about the history of the reptiloid meme and make jokes about him not blinking a lot while he's in trances.https://t.co/sltXaYR9WM
I wanna talk to him about gut bacteria's role in brain development and if his nutraceutical line could be used to make these mice smarter via cholesterol regulation.https://t.co/q3EaPIhHSF
Not only do mice/rat physiology not model humans due to vast differences in TRP receptors, they don't have the same immune system or gut bacteria. Even humanized gut mice won't be good models. Now we get this junk.https://t.co/HmffHqO8Ic
But hey, at least we'll have extra smart mice that we can use to pilot drones.Only a matter of time until this meme becomes real.https://t.co/pgiAlzSJND
Weaponizing autistic mice? I got threads on that.https://t.co/jxUApfEiE1
I gotta research those herbal supplements of his again.“An examination of his business seems to indicate that the vast majority of Infowars’ revenue comes from sales of these dietary supplements. Infowars isn’t a media empire—it’s a snake-oil empire.”https://t.co/Wsl0IuqXpN
"As the paper explains, organoid intelligence (OI) is an emerging field where researchers are developing biological computing using 3D cultures of human brain cells (brain organoids) and brain-machine interface technologies." https://t.co/XaCH8ursJL
"Their findings suggest that the organoids had established synaptic connections with surrounding cortex tissue three weeks after implantation, and received functional input from the mouse brain." https://t.co/hLnYf7L9pT
"A handful of experiments are raising questions about whether clumps of cells and disembodied brains could be sentient, and how scientists would know if they were." https://t.co/h5vBcBCKjy
Imagine waking up consciously as a human brain existing as a literal rat. JFC. https://t.co/HTviU0fstd
Haha, gamma waves are what happen if you entertain the bored cells."I have devoted my life to the study of death, and do you know what I found? Death is nothing more than the result of cellular boredom." https://t.co/T1x625QwYP
Are. We. Having. Fun. Yet?https://t.co/xVFFPqVuPW
"And in 2012, DARPA issued a $4 million grant to build a non-invasive “synthetic telepathy” interface by placing sensors close to the brain’s motor centers to pick up electrical signals — non-invasively, over the skin." https://t.co/Arqi7e313Chttps://t.co/WzZCbSPUR5
Growing a mouse in a vat.https://t.co/RVPa3kBb0n
For sale: Muridae oocyte, never born."a two-part system that includes incubators, nutrients and a ventilation system. The mouse embryos are placed in glass vials inside incubators, where they float in a special nutrient fluid."https://t.co/tLB90DdyCahttps://t.co/pbtWsOcFb5
And then implanting memories.https://t.co/TVzWJR1sd4
Cyborg Synths with humanized gut and brains, programmed via psudorealities projected directly into the brain. Trained from birth to control drones.https://t.co/mHGRyDOUhf https://t.co/uBBEOx3xBs
@coyote_cares @eigenrobot My stance is that it depends on how quickly the tech around external gestation happens, and possibly the further decline in rural/urban divides as food transitions into underground/indoor growing chambers. So... would this happen by 2040 to sync up with 2060's adulthood?
Fully automated brain-in-a-rat.https://t.co/8UR1xCHbun
You, vs the organoid enhanced mass-produced cyborg operator they told you not to worry about. @BasedBeffJezos @Figure_robothttps://t.co/1yYrV8Gu5P https://t.co/F5tpc1JDRR
I want to send robots to mars.https://t.co/GLSlBI2fqihttps://t.co/uh4berHBdh
But I am getting bad vibes from this space all the time.https://t.co/ZeRuZF9WiR
I keep hearing a whisper in my ghost."red planet" => rivers of blood.https://t.co/Lxq9kx3BKa
@Rahmeljackson A similar sort of homage system can be seen between an episode of LOVE DEATH + ROBOTS and Rdd Planet.https://t.co/zrwcfH7zp1These ideas are echos.8-12 years from now people who watched that LDR episode will be in college working on the latest generation.
"The ElectRx program will focus on a fairly new area of medical therapies called neuromodulation. As the name implies, neuromodulation is all about modulating your nervous system, to improve or fix an underlying problem." [2014] https://t.co/P3xvg9EyiY
'US Military Aims to Telepathically Control Drones in Four Years'"DARPA is looking for non-invasive to minutely invasive ways of interfacing with the machine. [...] got a close-up look at one team’s work at Rice University" https://t.co/IdOsOIMrG2https://t.co/NBYBtf3NV9
Do you think we can hook a hawk brain up to a fighter pilot and call it AI?https://t.co/bUPeE8dwyT
"A team of researchers just got a $600,000 grant from Australia's Office of National Intelligence to study ways of merging human brain cells with artificial intelligence."https://t.co/ijHtCK5tdU
canine osteosarcomas as pet?Do you think we can extract the immortal venereal disease doggo and coax his cells into being a brain.Then we can put it in a robotic exoskeleton and call it an Armored Core canine unit https://t.co/9J2U1eixja
Jones was consuming content stemming from Christians groups, who had fingered DARPA's "Systems of Neuromorphic Adaptive Plastic Scalable Electronics, or SyNAPSE" back in 2008 as problematic. Then he went deep.https://t.co/Ak4pX7mYNO
Christian leaning groups cover monstrosities."DARPA initiated a series of programs to help cognitive functioning, to repair some of this damage. And those programs center around putting brain chips inside the tissue of the brain" https://t.co/H0TEmbpEKkhttps://t.co/QBQnFp0K1i
No thanks @elonmusk, I don't want a computer chip from a large corporation to be implanted in my brain. I think it's a good idea tho, and your heart is in the right place.I want to chip myself with open technology and solve my own autism. Not become a borg. https://t.co/tedu3WggzW
News spreading apparatus that we have to share information is easy to game if you have a meta-model of a demographic and how they look at information.I learn a lot about investments by listening to christian groups' rumor mill. They're often right early.https://t.co/USJgownmp9
I am willing to learn from everyone, even if I don't agree with them. I don't agree with most people.https://t.co/2HTLLehlxq
That Discovery Institute post was from 2015... They're really good at finding flaws and uncovering gotchas within the space of evolutionary theory. Highly recommend reading them if you are into learning about evolution.Useful for mining ideas.https://t.co/W5Y2XtkQZJ
I don't agree with myself half the time. I am always wrong. It is why I need to keep learning.https://t.co/uLjOpKvW4B
Huge (giants) if true.https://t.co/sSTfnwyxEf
The uncomfortable part of our future is the point when we are having brains in vats trained to remotely run robotic platforms via Low Earth Orbit Satellites.https://t.co/watpAvoIbj
You say you want acceleration? But what if that organoid is part human? https://t.co/qTHTzcBlcy
Ocado bought the robot arm that was kickstarted. I wanted to make it to automate factories.They're building something amazing under people's noses. They've got everything but the on-demand manufacturing.https://t.co/RjyRMMxxeZ