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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

my experience, when a guest speaker brings a song to share with the class, and we're listening to them sing, is that people are real there's a sense we are living in the real world. this is it. the moon is real. people are real. the world around us is real https://t.co/GOe86kGfFu

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

im in a class called "Tribal Food Systems", and honestly, for a class young STEM me would have dismissed, they intuitively and deeply get some of the things about relationality i would struggle to communicate to philosophers or psychologists over 5 years

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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it's an experience i also get working at my preschool. it becomes very obvious quickly this isn't academic. these relationships with different children are real. they're not substitutable for each other, they're not objects, they're not abstractions; they're real

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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and then there's this overwhelming feeling: everything around me, this is real. the people around me, they really are real. the building around me, they are real. the world is exactly how it is right now there's a feeling of "everything is relational." non-substitutable https://t.co/fAxP3gKfbR

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

anyway, we owe each other and ourselves a tragic reality. also, everything is relational https://t.co/6Unth6vRex

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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and it's so foreign. so foreign to the culture in which i was steeped and trained. a culture in which abstraction was the great powerful tool i mastered. that was was the ability preserved as everything else evaporates https://t.co/A5t5juBb9y

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

our children can do this, steeped in the traditions of abstraction, psychology and logic, oblivious to everything else that once surrounded as it evaporates https://t.co/K6gKCfJHdt

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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a mode where i spent my time almost exclusively either in the symbolic or in my self. i made a lot of money for a lot of people this way. and i socially, i survived modern society just fine

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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modern society is organised around harnessing semi-dissociated symbolic thinking to astounding, incredible ends, and to making individualised, atomised, non-collective living viable at a collective scale

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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that feeling when the guest speaker sang the song/prayer, that things are real, we are real, we are genuinely in commune with something external to us and real…

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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… it’s a feeling i don't get in many of the modern contexts ive been in, american or indian here, when someone sings a song, it's entertainment. or maybe it's deeply moving, a personal story they're sharing, but even then— the exception kind of proves the rule

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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and even when that sense of real is encountered, it’s… how to say… contained. sidelined. fetishised. put on a box or a stage. the museums contain the performance and the art, because any sense of real outside that is too threatening https://t.co/MgpjNhaHQt

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 2 years ago

@jessicamalonso @vivekt17 reminds me of what you said about how people get on talk shows and let out a few sniffles and people remark on how emotional that is when that is about the least emotional you can be. the (displayed) emotion is fighting back the emotion

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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the art is consistently put in a box, because aliveness isn’t naturally woven into the culture; it’s terrifying outside the box https://t.co/Xn0IvKqYGA

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 3 years ago

susan sontag called this the violence of interpretation keeping the art in a certain power relation where it is helpless to affect you https://t.co/YIklB9xLc7

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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(therapy btw? also in a box) https://t.co/8Z1BrHcgfC

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• about 3 years ago

it’s a role that exists within the culture, and so you can talk about these substances, while staying within the vocabulary and awareness of the culture you never have to leave the comfy, codependent feeling of having the awareness of the culture around you

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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even politics, when libs and conservatives get at each other, it almost feels like they’re doing theatre; it still doesn’t fucking feel real

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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you know what feels real? the way the guest speakers talk about the police disrupting their hunting or education these are real power battles, for a real objects of care. these are real, specific stakes, and it’s obvious when they talk to them, they matter to real communities

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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there’s a feeling of a reality outside the theatre of self https://t.co/IH37PGcjk9

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

this may come as a surprise, but Indian kirtan isn’t primarily about healing. it’s about devoting yourself to god, with sound, which is considered to be the very body of the gods

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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so that feeling of the guest speakers singing the song? it’s sacred to experience. this is what listening does to you

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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this is perhaps why their peoples listen to the river. it does something to listen. it makes the thing and beings around you to real to you in a way it’s possible to go through all of modern society never quite experiencing other people as real https://t.co/JQQCoOpjsk

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

the indigenous women, they're just here listening to the water. they offer something to the land before taking something, as simple as a strand of hair or a drink of your water. they listen before they sing. there's an ease and animism i recognise https://t.co/5aJxaNh9vj

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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btw, it’s not the just song. it’s the whole presentation, their whole being, the whole project of their life it feels all intimately connected and woven through things known so deeply to be real, true, held in regard and cherished

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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i just want to pay my respects to them, for bringing something real to the class

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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oh, and that feeling? of encounter? that all this is real? it’s a feeling that makes me love them https://t.co/KeC4nGYQm5

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago

the reason im coming to love people is because they don’t got a choice—they are who they are. they are what’s there to love, defend, get to know https://t.co/D15WD5TsET

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 1 year ago
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i think this is why people listen. it does something to listen, and to feel part of the wider world, and to feel an allegiance to it. to instinctively begin moving in concert with it, and weighing its considerations in into yours this is an embodied ethics

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