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@Malcolm_Ocean first eg that comes to mind https://t.co/s4Uhg2QDcD

once you've admitted 0=1 into your value system, you can use that to prove all sorts of ridiculousness in math: 0+1=1+1 ➡️ 1 = 2 10¹=10² ➡️ 10 = 100 i¹=i² ➡️ i = -1 in values: 😳 suffering is pleasure, actually 🚩 cruelty is love, actually ☝️ bullshit is true, actually

@Malcolm_Ocean i always recommend my friends who are trying to "develop taste" play a rapid game of <this is good / this is bad> basically, you just scroll through a diverse set of pictures, like the ones on midjourney dot com and say "good - bad - good - good - bad" instinctually.

@Malcolm_Ocean you can do the same thing with furniture designs or interior decoration or architecture. the goal is to answer within <1 second and move on. the point isn't "rightness", but to realize that if you give yourself time to justify your choice, you can psyop yourself into anything

@Malcolm_Ocean also helps get rid of the social conditioning of "everything is good, to someone" we live in *such* a relativistic value system that everyones reaction is like "well i can see how this could be good in some cases" it's a good instinct for compromise, but bad for taste.

@Malcolm_Ocean people can sense when a person has a "cohesive" set of values. Values play well together, little dissonance, only in edge cases Many different geometries can all be valid systems, but you can't just mix and match the systems. Value dissonance. https://t.co/J91s80pySR

@__drewface yeah, proper pluralism is more subtle than "everything is good, to someone" not everything that is good to you is good to everyone but something being good for someone else DOES NOT mean it's good for you. that doesn't follow at all. fish need water. birds need sky.

@__drewface but some things are just actually bad to take an extreme example, nuclear explosions aren't a good place for any kind of life to live sort of related to how https://t.co/q1e9TRHJVQ

there's one version of this that has its roots in certain strains of christianity, maybe particularly calvinism but I recently heard that it goes all the way back to Luther and the protestant reformation https://t.co/n6TVlYt4yr

but of course part of this goes to the root of christianity as a shift from 🔴 good vs bad — power is good, weakness sucks ("might makes right") to 🔵 good vs evil — law & love is good, selfishness sucks (righteousness) https://t.co/KIWfHeJSQg https://t.co/ccF4mzP3Zx


and Nietzsche framed this in terms of master morality & slave morality (my fav source on this is this great long vid) https://t.co/G75PC39rBj

and aspects of this are a psy-op BUT! the psy-op works in part because there's a way in which it IS god's will to shift from pure egocentric conquering into higher-order social systems (much as it is/was god's will to form planets, life, multicel life.,) https://t.co/uzbhD7Gfuv

and then there's a sense in which aligning with god's will, the dao, the meta-protocol, the upward spiral... creates harmony and flow but don't confuse that for the will of the church or whatever (and the church would love to have you confuse those) https://t.co/XNAv1VUvMl

"Permeating all is the law of God. Disobey it and you feel unhappiness: you feel separated from God. Obey it and you feel harmony: you feel close to God. As you live in harmony with divine law you will feel closer to and develop more love for God."— Peace Pilgrim

and in particular, @Morphenius and I recently noticed that a particularly pernicious flavor of psyop involves giving people attachment trauma and then calling disobedience from authority "disobedience of god" and then saying "that pain is sep from god" https://t.co/vAf14GkFVP

@Morphenius he and I are still early stages of workshopping these ideas—more to come! this other tweet is definitely relevant, though might need revising (maybe because "separate from god/universe" is actually an illusion/psyop) https://t.co/PSfazRAcgC

@Malcolm_Ocean @Morphenius @JakeOrthwein representative sample https://t.co/8SIPvsX2uY

@QiaochuYuan @Morphenius @JakeOrthwein yo @JakeOrthwein me & @Morphenius are planning to record a call at 3:30pm pacific on tuesday about this stuff, want to join? (DM me if so—I am very bad at twitter notifications)

@Morphenius stepping back from the "this childhood pain you experienced because adults were cruel to you is actually a sign you're disconnected from god" psyop to the original topic of the bad=good psyop QC has a great thread on this here: https://t.co/sUNqNQK3oC

one of the first things you learn when you start writing mathematical proofs is the principle of explosion: from a single false premise you can derive any conclusion, true or false. interesting to reflect on how this has shaped my thinking and orientation towards truth

want to make the world a better place? don't get confused into thinking you should do so by inserting pain in the place you can be most certain it matters, for the theoretical benefit for others who may not even notice https://t.co/YT6a43o1hf

oh here is an awesome thread exploring this from a personal morality perspective (and talking about how the psy-op gets you) whereas mine is more historical and spiritual https://t.co/h4CalWQ4Uk

there's lots of memes that try and turn people evil with a message of "there's no such thing as virtue, there is only vice" these memes are aided by the massive amounts of hypocrisy that exists. there's no shortage of people doing gnarly shit while trying to look virtuous

hmmmmm is this fact (insofar as it's true) upstream of or downstream of the "bad is good, actually" meme? https://t.co/3Hl9Xrah5h

> too often in queer culture I get the sense of people wanting to tear it all down, to deny any distinction between good and bad, to forestall any examination of whether a choice is worth making so long as it transgresses https://t.co/YwplAJvDrM

Reflecting on this from the other side: I am gay, but I have never been drawn to the "queer community" this user sketches out. Why not? Its aesthetics are off. Its culture is off. It misses a crucial element. It is insufficiently beautiful, so I wander elsewhere. This will be a half-formed thought, and one that treads in sensitive waters—please bear with me as I think out loud. "Queer culture" is fundamentally oppositional: it exists in a spirit of tearing down norms, of defying standards, of spitting in the face of expectations and celebrating people for being precisely who they want to be. I resonate with a certain amount of that. I left Mormonism, after all. I married another man. I playact as a golden jackal on the internet. But queer culture, to me, misses a crucial step: if you want to tear something down, you ought to provide something better to replace it with. Want to transgress? Do it right. In queer culture, I feel I am expected to clap and cheer as soon as someone transgresses a norm: a man in a dress! a movie about gay culture! two women kissing! How bold, how provocative, how queer! But what of the second step? How does he look in the dress? does it flatter his form; is it becoming? does it make him beautiful in a bold new way, or does it make you wince and turn away? do you admire him because you cannot help but be entranced, or do you admire him because you are afraid not to? The movie—is it good? does it strike your soul? does it speak forth some impossible beauty, touch on core truths about the human condition? or is it like Bros, garish and ungainly and daring people to dislike it so it can sneer and say it always knew you hated the gays. And the couple: is their relationship healthy? are they good for each other, good for the world around them? are they oriented towards meaning, perhaps towards raising a family? are their lives richer and better for it, and can you say it if they are not? Every new generation tears down some walls its parents and grandparents built. That is well and good. Times change, the world changes, we march ever onward. But too often in queer culture I get the sense of people wanting to tear it all down, to deny any distinction between good and bad, to forestall any examination of whether a choice is worth making so long as it transgresses. And I have never wanted to merely be one who tears structures down. I do not transgress old norms for the sake of transgression, but out of a conviction that something yet better is possible. If I am not achieving something good, I want my friends to have space to judge me and push me higher. Many LGBT people, I believe, take the same approach. My sentiment is consonant with that of many of my LGBT friends. But it is not a sentiment that has ever sat comfortably with the culture OP gestures towards. I would be thrilled to fit into a broader LGBT culture, but transgression is not enough. It must cultivate excellence.


@Malcolm_Ocean ayo https://t.co/a2duwCmU5y

i do think though that the principle of explosion correctly points towards the consequences of holding a false belief sufficiently *rigidly* and *globally*. if there's a thing you've decided is always good or always bad, and you're committed to ignoring exceptions...

@Malcolm_Ocean yeah, they just push an outrageous falsehood that you can't believe they're saying on you while noselling anything you do to demonstrate it's falsehood. it's gaslighting. https://t.co/oTGSOszFXS

@QiaochuYuan I've been saying it for awhile and it just suddenly occurred to me I hadn't actually tweeted it https://t.co/rV1udXsScG
