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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago

"therapy" is doing a tricksy ambiguity 1. therapy = "go see someone registered as a therapist" (may not help, or retraumatize) 2. therapy = "untangling your stuff, particularly via therapeutic reconsolidation process" by defn #2, @visakanv's DMs may actually just *be* therapy https://t.co/KukvWHQ4RJ

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvalmost 5 years ago

Re: “X is not a replacement for therapy”. I won’t argue that there’s any one thing that’s a replacement for therapy, but I will say it’s *possible* to 1. be a person who “needs therapy” 2. become a person who gets DMs saying “this conversation helped me more than my therapist”

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

Meanwhile, by definition #2, it's entirely possible to *go to a therapist and not get therapy*. Not dissimilar to how a mechanic might fail to repair your car, some product you buy is not what it says on the tin, or court might have a injust show trial, etc.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

(Defn #2 needs to be expanded on in order to actually be useful. It's just a placeholder, to point out that there's an actual process that can happen-or-not. Expanding on defn is out of scope for this thread you're reading now, but check out over here👇) https://t.co/PHEPxrEr9T

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago

Crowdsourcing a deeper meaning: what is therapy? Not just "what happens at a therapist's office," though it could be there. Or alone in the woods, or with a shaman or friend. What does it mean to say someone experienced effective therapy?

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

From this perspective, someone who went to a therapist and didn't get therapy is a customer who got ripped off, and telling them they got therapy is institutionalized gaslighting. https://t.co/LpmDhzdAXV

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

Therapy boards have got a nice jerky circular regulatory racket with defn #1. Defining "therapy" as "what therapists do" implies:  🤷‍♀️ if it didn't work for you, that's your problem. can't say it "wasn't therapy"  🙅‍♀️ if you're not a licensed therapist, can't do therapy

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

It makes sense to me that there be ways to verify who's gotten which kinds of training, but the idea that some people are legally qualified to help and others aren't is second only in absurdity to the idea that all "therapists" provide the same service. </hyperbole>

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

I don't know what the solution looks like, but one piece is encouraging people to trust their own sense of what works for them 🙏 This is, however, the very self-trust that schools traumatize out of people, by telling you they know how you should learn. https://t.co/6o9V0Pxsq2

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QC@QiaochuYuanalmost 6 years ago

hey remember how we went to school where we spent 8 hours a day for over a decade having what our bodies could do completely under the control of authority figures boy i wonder if that had any lasting effects

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

Giving adequate therapy to the world is a major bootstrapping process, involving both better frameworks (like Emotional Coherence & memory reconsolidation - see Unlocking the Emotional Brain) and also increasing numbers of people able to guide other people to & through it.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

Also bootstrapping because in order for your brain to fully unlearn coercive culture, you need a real experience that something else is available, which is only possible to the extent that it exists for you to experience *even while you don't fully trust it* ❤️

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

And here's a great thread from @QiaochuYuan on how therapy works and doesn't, from last year. https://t.co/yZKxTCChIY

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QC@QiaochuYuanalmost 6 years ago

@slatestarcodex post on therapy books all promising to bring about revolutionary change but all therapies seeming about equally okay in studies. i have many thoughts: 1. what if therapies start out effective but people adapt to them over time https://t.co/zBjO4dk1Rt

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