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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

My wife predicts divorces & failed relationships with stunning accuracy and I have learned a few of her tricks relationships are fucking hard, and to work they need a sort of functional “economy” (gratitude, laughter, kindness) and waste elimination system (pain, resentment)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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R/ships typically fail either bc the economy died (no happiness) or the trash pileup in the street made it inhabitable (too miserable to function). Both have symptoms & warning signs you can look out for. (wife notices these YEARS before me; it’s insane) https://t.co/24TsvoSasz

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 7 years ago

me: did you know X and Y broke up wife: ha me: I feel like there are some things that predict breakups- wife: ya, me me: me: that is going on the twitter wife: why are you like this

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Just as how “the score takes care of itself”, there are some fundamental structural things that need to exist in order to manage a relationship’s economy - the equivalent of things like rule of law, a reliable money supply. Especially necessary for weathering inevitable disasters

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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“How will this couple handle a year of unexpected misery, caused either by one, both, or neither parties”? Will they talk about it honestly & openly with each other? Do they *really* listen to each other? Do they speak of each other with tenderness? Do they build each other up?

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

A serious relationship is a massive undertaking, a heavy burden on your back. It’s like lifting weights, actually. You need to have good form. You can tell when someone has bad form, the weight is going to fuck them. But do it well and you get stronger https://t.co/RLffYYOZaf

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Spending a lot of time together doesn’t actually mean as much as people think it does. Spending a lot of money (that you can afford), going on fancy vacations together, throwing a fancy party (ahem: weddings) all don’t mean much. All of those things are actually easy and trivial

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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The “killer” signs: - Contempt. Doesn’t matter if you’re laughing as you jokingly put each other down. One day it won’t be funny. - Dismissiveness. “Ugh, she’s always like that” - Indifference. “nah it’s nbd whatever” This is bad form - when the hard times hit, they’ll buckle

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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But to be honest I’m trying to make things up that make sense, like a bird trying to explain aerodynamics. I don’t actually know how I know that shit. I just happen to know how to fly and I can “just tell” when someone else isn’t going to be able to https://t.co/mKKqWf7nFr

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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I infer a lot from body language and eye contact. A couple that is close will make eye contact often. Not necessarily stare lovingly into each other’s eyes (my wife and I actually don’t do this much), but just “re-sync” regularly to get frequent snapshots of each other’s state

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Kinda relatedly, if one half of a couple rolls their eyes dismissively when the other is talking (exception if it’s in a funny way- but you see what a dangerous thin line humor can be), that’s a huge red flag. Literally predicts divorces (disrespect + contempt, lightly masked)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

A sad warning sign: when one person has to constantly apologise for the other. It’s usually women apologising for their boyfriends. Don’t do it. It rarely gets better. If often gets worse. And y’all often put up with it for *years* longer than you should. Let him go sis https://t.co/sYAhWA0N8j

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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You weren’t put on this earth to apologise for somebody else! You don’t have time for that. It’s a full time job apologising for yourself 😂 ^ see, this is a joke that doesn’t put anybody down. Anybody who needs to make other people feel weak/small/foolish etc is a red flag https://t.co/tHIzi8Sgyo

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Lmao, on my timeline right now. Politics aside, what a grotesque marriage, what a miserable relationship, what a sad life. This is beyond a zombie marriage, this is like actively antagonistic. Spouse as villain/enemy https://t.co/TenVPXf4tm

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Oh hey we could probably do a whole “great marriage” thread entirely with Obama gifs. Contrast these with Donald and Melania - just try to imagine the latter couple behaving like this. That’s it, that’s the heuristic. Are they more like Obamas or Trumps https://t.co/syfHB7mwFp

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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It’s actually quite amazing how dramatic the difference can be https://t.co/nPlVportE6

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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😍 https://t.co/1yTJKZPFoV

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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😍 https://t.co/i9ULXAQ9hg

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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😍 https://t.co/bUjh5u7cvg

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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😍 https://t.co/EwyS6dGutL

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Some additional nuance about quality time Also, while being rich won’t guarantee relationship success, one of the biggest causes of divorce is financial conflict / debt-related frustration Getting it right isn’t enough but getting it wrong will cost you https://t.co/9YJr57Ti8x

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

@acertainjolene Yeah you know what I mean - there are things about them that are necessary but insufficient; having it in abundance doesn’t guarantee relationship success/happiness (but deficits will hurt/cost you)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

A thing I wrote once about how my wife and I (try to) manage our logistics https://t.co/XXArizBssU

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 7 years ago

@jesswatmiller I’ve shared this with a few friends who’ve appreciated it https://t.co/N17MlJexSh

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Sure! Basically, in a marriage, you’re going to have to deal with the costs incurred by your partner’s mistakes. THEY forgot something, THEY messed something up, you did your part but THEY didn’t. This is painful and frustrating https://t.co/NUF5P4yCIE

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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It will become easy to get angry & frustrated with your partner - especially since you’re in such close proximity and your actions impact each other so much. So you need a system to acknowledge, address and resolve all this pain and resentment. IMO this is more intimate than sex https://t.co/yS96J5mqr5

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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I’m not saying I’m an expert. I just have some experience to share. Nobody’s perfect. But if you want a good shot at making things work you gotta do your due diligence & check in, regularly, even when you’re tired, especially when it’s hard. It’s very easy to overlook this https://t.co/MBHaW9MDWb

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Acknowledge the mess, and work at it https://t.co/QQjEV36Y8Y

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

"The problem most people have with marriages that fail is that they go in thinking, "This person will make me happy." The fuck they will." "You aren't signing on for happiness. You are signing on for sharing human life, and a human life is a complete chaotic crazy mess." https://t.co/YucqwcSgpg

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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There’s a death spiral that goes like this: 1. you’re tired so you hit snooze on difficult conversations 2. your backlog from 1 is overwhelming 3. You start spacing out in each other’s presence (how was your day? fine). life is now a series of chores 4. The “spark” is gone

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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5. Since it’s all chores and the spark is gone, you’re subtly colder and more uncharitable towards each other. You’re both play-acting corporate shells at this point and it’s very unpleasant. Fight over trivial thing like dishes or laundry 6. Everything gets worse; cycle worsens https://t.co/PdbeBO0xBv

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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So the meta skill is to recognise that this is a spectrum. I think it was Esther Perel who said “you gotta know how to bring it back”. This is likely unique to each couple. But you can see it: how open and psychologically/emotionally intimate people are with each other https://t.co/PuQGeyWZx7

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Just to emphasise: we never root for any relationship to fail. Life is hard and love is precious, and we want all of our friends to flourish and be happy. It’s just unfortunate that people are so often unprepared for the work. May you all nourish + be nourished in every way ❤️ https://t.co/5g3L8ke4MS

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
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Btw my wife is really smart and funny and y’all would enjoy this thread https://t.co/PyG4tg0AOU

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 9 years ago

me: I love you wife: how much me: why this obsession with quantification wife: what gets measured gets managed

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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https://t.co/usKhYeFU9k

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

Wife and I were laughing about this last night: the thing nobody quite tells you about marriage is: you’re choosing the person in life who’s going to upset, disappoint annoy and frustrate you more than anybody else

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