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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

thinking today about culture humans pass down culture to their little ones and to each other. in a way, that's the grand fire of humanity: the fire of knowledge and skill, kept alive generation to generation, spread around, made even grander https://t.co/rih8KV9wPk

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

misc thread of threads about working in a preschool https://t.co/MSOwSenLXe

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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our sprawling civilisations, advanced technology, the way each human gets integrated into the economy; the art, the math, the stories — this is our culture humans aren't complete without their culture https://t.co/2ja95hcRBD

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

Scott Alexander - Book Review: The Secret to Our Success by Joseph Heinreich https://t.co/X849oWT53u https://t.co/Kh7lal410Q

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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anyway, in this preschool, what is the culture? we help little kids learn to paint, to read, to build blocks, make crafts, play with other, give turns, share this is the culture

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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in another preschool, they might be told stories about their ancestors, about the lands; about the way strawberries were discovered, and hear the toads at night that would become their culture

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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a lot of the culture of this school is oriented towards helping them become happy, functional, productive adults in this society the culture the other preschool would be oriented towards helping them become happy, functional, productive adults in that society

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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in this way, we raise children to both attend to themselves, to their inner desires and wishes …and to integrate those desires & wishes with the rest of the society we have built out, to take it further https://t.co/EPPyplfoBQ

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

it’s significant that humans are raised in an ecology—a continual, uninterrupted ecology, where they’re allowed to roam free a little (kids have some restrictions, but are boisterous), and slowly get shaped into being more integrated… https://t.co/eeWjnU0tvN

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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they become part of the human species not just biologically, but culturally the challenge of our times, of course, is if AI, who we do not share a biology with, can also maintain continuity with the human species culturally, or severely disrupt it https://t.co/qmP61OGXkC

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

ecological language is such a natural fit for talking about AI alignment. 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘰𝘨𝘺 a continuous living cooperation of various beings and forces, we don’t want disrupted

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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update seriously, i keep thinking. this preschool is so… western. modern. theres so much thought on part of the adults everywhere, to grow their creative, math, etc. skills. like of course they're going to grow up to be formidable assets to an industrial/post-industrial economy https://t.co/BIWRYqSlFW

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

@eigenrobot a disciplined supply chain, culture of accumulation of information and wealth, industry and weaponry, experience using ruthlessly genocidal and realpolitik tactics eventually the people who had centuries of practice going to war with gunpowder and linear algebra win

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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i can't explain it, but it feels like they're going to grow up to be such productive, and allow just sliiightly hollow people (the slight hollowness is a feature, not a bug, i feel it myself at school or in ambitious places)

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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whereas perhaps kids that grow up with nature, plants, a less economic, public school, more tribal, ecological collectivity would grow up quietly connected to something in a way other adults are so hollow they could not even imagine being connected to the tree of the life

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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you know. experiencing the grief of the collectivity as your own. linked, like in avatar, via this ritual, listening connection, together https://t.co/JQQCoOpjsk

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

the indigenous women, they're just here listening to the water. they offer something to the land before taking something, as simple as a strand of hair or a drink of your water. they listen before they sing. there's an ease and animism i recognise https://t.co/5aJxaNh9vj

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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i can only describe it because i feel it sometimes, and i know most modern western society feels different. it feels "plugged out". little individuals harnessed to make a great machine, the greatest agi known to humanity, the global economy https://t.co/2sBfunV5kM

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago

@meekaale @itinerantfog "money is an interface to the agi we call the global economy" https://t.co/qcHdp40F07

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Your friend Myk 🌻🍉@mykolaover 1 year ago
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@AskYatharth Yes. In the west we all have The Hole. Eliot wrote We Are The Hollow Men. That void where connection should be is a central component of imperial life. This is enlightenment style existence, it’s denying spiritual truths, it’s abdicating community. Fear where love should be.

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 1 year ago
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@mykola >That void where connection should be is a central component of imperial life. damn. yeah >Eliot wrote We Are The Hollow Men. >Yes. In the west we all have The Hole. Funny how similar the metaphors are. Hole. Hollow

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