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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago

was in Topanga Valley yesterday and it felt like being in enemy territory like being at an Erewhon, or https://t.co/McHjsoHMrO

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 3 years ago

every time i say magic or spiritual, i feel like i have to stop and say “not hippies.” there’s something that feels off about them to me. i don’t trust this like i go FUCK NO. whatever this is, no https://t.co/Stqi05p7my

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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i was confused, because we were doing exactly the sorts of i usually love: bonfire, singing about the elements, whatever but something about it just felt terrifying and dangerous

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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in the song circle groups i found that do this, they don’t dress beautifully pixel perfect. they don’t talk beautifully perfectly spiritual. there’s no pretence. it’s just a song circle. it just happens to also accidentally feel spiritual to me

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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this felt like… being trapped in a place where the women want white picket fences and are outcompeting each other for the biggest social buffets and everyone is rich and smiling and i believe no one

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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somehow me singing about the elements is fine, asheville people singing about the elements is fine, my song circle communities singing about elements is fine, but when they do it felt shallow, crass, dangerous i can’t explain it but i felt terrified invisible

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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it could feel myself look for reasons my felt sense of “no” wasn’t enough it felt like enemy territory, and i was going into lawyer mode, desperately trying to look for iron clad things wrong with them

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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i remembered something @jessicamalonso says: it’s not about good/bad, it’s about yes/no they weren’t necessarily bad, or good, but just— i was sensing there was something there that was not yes for me

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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that’s all the complexity of thought i needed in that moment to know what to do next: not a yes, take space go sit by the beach by myself, by the waves begin hearing the world again. my heart. my connection to myself

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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why the fuck was i hanging out so close with people when my body was so clearly a no? what was wrong with *me*? as far as i could tell, these people were just innocent people, some from material privileged, some not, who found some sort of home here, and liked to do this

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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and… i could tell, it was good for me to take it slow around them i have spent a lot of time in this “almost-match” of a space — where they say the same things, and do the same things, but in a way that feels so wrong in my body so *FUCKING* wrong i have to capitalise it

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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I had unique vulnerabilities to this environment vulnerabilities that came, in part, from growing up, and not having my felt sense of "no" feel enough https://t.co/BWa1URdj2a

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 2 years ago

one of the weirdest sorts of conversations i would have (still have) with my parents is “i’m cold” “no you’re not” “…”

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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the specific fuckiness of the environment and specific vulnerabilities of me were a perfect fit. it's what kept me from just leaving Bay Area spirituality earlier this is how all cults work. there's a fuckiness-vulnerability match https://t.co/bX4xmQakQa

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago

in my head, they had a monopoly on spirituality, and healing, and consciousness, and awareness, and turns out they absolutely don't https://t.co/r1WOK3kCWC

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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my body was reacting violently, trying to beg my mind to just fucking leave, because it sensed i did not feel good here. i felt https://t.co/ngisyNd5Jb https://t.co/jU7UWYTADp

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago

i was so scared that was going to have to be my home, and the communities i sensed i wanted didn't exist

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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there was no space in this environment to acknowledge my resistance to it. it would be actively hostile to it not great, but it's fine. it's not the environment's job. it's my job to stay connected to myself

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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taking distance briefly is what i needed. until i could breathe, and hear myself again https://t.co/7Jb5l1NOoK

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago

that’s all the complexity of thought i needed in that moment to know what to do next: not a yes, take space go sit by the beach by myself, by the waves begin hearing the world again. my heart. my connection to myself

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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something about that was just… calming? like ah, i am happy, warm, fun vibing with me again i did end up having some happy, warm fun vibing with people there, but there was a lot more holding of myself, and my connection with myself

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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it was the right distance. i could feel myself, while still feeling their fire https://t.co/YZJOUzINuX

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 3 years ago

there’s an important physicality to a fire, which is you can sit as close to it or far from it as you want, you can bask exactly at the distance most comfortable for you to enjoy this fire https://t.co/vif9GNzElR

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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anyway, im returning to the Bay Area soon, and im going to be surrounded by all this again, so its nice to gain some skills and experience - if im beginning to feel a no, honour it - no need to find a reason then - find enough distance i can hear myself https://t.co/ddTFWkai78

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QC@QiaochuYuanalmost 2 years ago

one of my most woo beliefs about the bay area is that it's filled with like spiritual radioactive waste from the 60s that seeped into the spiritual groundwater. cults grow there specifically like weeds. insane background energies which is why i don't want to move back

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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i will plainly state, a lot of this spiritual aesthetic, and Bay Area spirituality, is ~often codependent, rootless and co-opted will it bother you? is it present in a particular place? 🤷‍♂️. gotta smell it, that's what discernment is for

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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anytime there's the signature of codependency, with cults with NXIVM, or rationalists, or this it won't affect everyone the same. thousands of people will benefit, without any harm, and wonder what the hullaboo is about

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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and the specific people with a specific fuckiness-vulnerability fit will get fucked over, thrown soul over head, and wonder what the heck happened. @QiaochuYuan is excellent about documenting his version of that on his account https://t.co/Xor1DhVngO

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QC@QiaochuYuanalmost 2 years ago

that did something literally magical to the atmosphere i'm not sure i've seen anywhere else to this day. we had temporarily just made it completely *socially* normal to be in unbelievably agonizing amounts of emotional pain. this was so exactly what i needed i can't express it

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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at some point, the questions need to go from "is environment X bad" to "is environment X a yes or no" because good/bad is something the mind does, with reasons, and that's like 500 steps behind where your bodily yes/no is

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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there's enough time for reasons later, if it feels warranted still. half the time it doesn't, and when it does, it'll be much more clear, and much less confused for having taken space earlier

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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as an aside— it's funny to me i used the exact same analogy last time i felt creeped out about this something about white picket fences has great archetypical value as the place the soul first becomes invisible, goes to die at the hands of status https://t.co/rDuMB3X2wl

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 3 years ago

i feel as terrified at the idea of being stuck in a community like this as married to a wife who cares about playing the conventional nyc status money and house and weekend party games stuck in someone else’s game, someone else’s lane, that i have no interest in

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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>Every woman alive knows why she washed the floors first https://t.co/K1TmU25RTA

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago

>One day, years later, after washing the kitchen and the living room floors by hand, she slipped into her best silk blouse…and her big hat. She pressed her husband's shotgun to the roof of her mouth, and pulled the trigger. Every woman alive knows why she washed the floors first https://t.co/S3qhTy1HRX

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago
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it occurs to me what im learning is something a wolf mother teaches all her pups >if it's threatening and bigger than you, flee; if it's weaker, see what you want to do https://t.co/RtHvTJsYYe https://t.co/9RZPGiL12q

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthalmost 2 years ago

something Women Who Run With the Wolves talks about, that little girls do not understand, that i did not understand, is that there truly are predators that are bigger than you, and will rip you to shreds the basic wisdom that when you see sth threatening & bigger than you, flee https://t.co/pmPG5G6S4W

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hart the phoenix@puheenixalmost 2 years ago
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@AskYatharth looks like there's a theme in the field tonight https://t.co/lzpf67UkEY

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hart the phoenix@puheenixalmost 2 years ago

idk which one of my IFS parts needs to hear this but, trust your vibe check. trust your gut. trust your ick report. trust your vague sense of knowing. trust your uncanny recollection of the unwelcome familiar. trust your read of the room. trust your intuition. trust your grok.

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