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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago

I don't want this place to turn into a "movement" https://t.co/dkKYMPPH21

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

The risk is that the movement will never draw a line between itself and the oasis, and then will come to treat the oasis as its own home turf. Subject to its own norms, which will be light as first but *have* to become heavy as the movement grows. https://t.co/QV501yaNjs

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 3 years ago

This part of twitter is oasis. There are norms, and not rules - and you cannot rely even on the norms. There are strange and dangerous people, there are hermits who live nearby who you may never see, there are ranting prophets and tired travellers.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

There is no such thing as large movements with few norms, only those that pretend to. So ask yourself - do you want this place to have many norms? I would rather see it grow wilder

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

I have no objection to people launching movements from here, it is only natural. But if they do not draw a line between the movement of the space they *will* break the delicate bonds that make the Oasis possible.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

Movement shoulder heavy burdens in trying to shift the world, their ability to co-exist with ways of life that require lightness is dubious at best.

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hart the phoenix@puheenixโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel if someone did launch a movement from here successfully, how do you imagine them drawing a line that *works* to leave the oasis intact? would that look like a disclaimer? a marketing message?

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @puheenix

@puheenix Strong disclaimer is the way of honoring the fact that you don't own the space even if you're trying to own something and it's what I'd like people like @gptbrooke to do

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monk@mechanical_monkโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @puheenix

@puheenix @PrinceVogel i'd imagine just don't actively talk about tpot a disclaimer or a marketing message is still actively talking about it, bringing attention to it answer questions when asked, but don't dwell on the topic

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hart the phoenix@puheenixโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@mechanical_monk the first rule ofโ€ฆ nvm

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Ra is DJing at Cascade Camp 9-12 to 9-15@slimepriestessโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel This feels real important. There are probably something like 6-7 somewhat-cooperating somewhat-conflicting movements represented in tpot, and that's good for the scene. If one of those movements tried to become 'the tpot movement' it would destroy the fragile ecosystem.

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nobu hibiki@nobu_hibikiโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel i wonder if this is mainly pointing at the thing that is happening in america and europe.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @nobu_hibiki

@nobu_hibiki I don't know if that's really the right lens to use when the American and European events capture worldwide attention and the space itself is mostly online

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nobu hibiki@nobu_hibikiโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel mmhm maybe im super detached right now im not quite sure what they're pointing at when they say that *waves hands around* is growing into a movement

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @nobu_hibiki

@nobu_hibiki A gathering momentum of vagueness is the problem, movements should be reasonably delineated entities

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nobu hibiki@nobu_hibikiโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel true actually i agree with that.

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nobu hibiki@nobu_hibikiโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @nobu_hibiki

@PrinceVogel i mean who am i kidding it is, but as someone who is outside of that physical area it does feel like the move to something more physical will necessarily require the moving away from the internet, which does feel like a coup

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @nobu_hibiki

@nobu_hibiki The involved generative engine is far too online for it to "move" offline. It has a substantially offline competent but undeniable people are still plugged in

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Ray Doraisamy@forshaperโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel It seems like it is, at the very least, going to be a mother of movements, regardless of what anyone does or says.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @forshaper

@forshaper Yeah that's perfectly natural, but I'd like to defend the source as far as I can

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@forshaper And maybe more importantly tell people that they don't need the visible doing of things to justify themselves to me or anyone else

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Ray Doraisamy@forshaperโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel One needs a flag to gather the hosts.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @forshaper

@forshaper The omens don't favor war so one wonders what a host is for

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Ray Doraisamy@forshaperโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel Suppose it depends on the timeframe.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @forshaper

@forshaper Imo gathering the hosts without clear direction is naturally suspicious, the social metis isn't really there for a moot to produce sensitive or representative directionality

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@forshaper I've just become deeply suspicious of the desire to have stuff happen. Having learned painfully how slowly things that can be True need to grow

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Ray Doraisamy@forshaperโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel The cat was already out of the bag with Hive one, afaict.

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Ray Doraisamy@forshaperโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @PrinceVogel

@PrinceVogel My assumption is that any flag would require clear direction to work for rallying.

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Prince Vogelfrei ๐Ÿฆโ€โฌ›@PrinceVogelโ€ข about 2 years ago
Replying to @forshaper

@forshaper Optimistic!

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