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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago

been procrastinating for a while now on assembling a doc of notes of things that came up in my consult sessions with my marketing clients... figure i might as well do a twitter thread about it, maybe, just to get moving on it

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

i'll work in chronological order, backwards from my earlier clients notes, anonymized without details... just gonna list out "things I found myself saying, that was helpful"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

1. whats your current idea of what you want out of X? 2. do you have a sense of what your current brand is? how would you describe it? (what's the backstory?) 3. who are some people you'd like to be mutuals with, or that you'd like to work with, be associated with? (why?)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"its great that you have a thread where you told a story about [redacted]. it does a great job of describing who you are, what your interests are, what you care about. its very evocative. its worth retelling this story more deliberately."

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"phrases like 'helping <X-people> become <Y-state>" are excellent – you should include that in your bio and/or about me page. then you wanna go into more detail about the specifics of how you got there, why you care about it... help people see why they should care too"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I often ask my clients a bunch of questions about their lives – what do you do to relax? what do you do for fun? what kind of media do you like- movies? music? video games? what's your favorite? why? etc – this is an exercise in figuring out their taste, personality, etc

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

that information then gives me a context-rich domain to reference when talking about other things. if you like movies, imagine you're running a movie studio. if you like music, imagine you're a record label. etc. this helps them zoom out from say, the "song" they're working on

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

bc when you get really into the weeds on a particular song in a particular album for a particular artist-persona, it can be harder to zoom out and see the bigger picture of how that song will be received, or how it should fit within a larger body of work, or within a culture

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

its also often helpful to ask about the artists, movies, businesses, etc that they DONT like. why dont you like it? what do you not like about it? what's annoying? often ppl get a bit sheepish or apologetic but it's very valuable information, to know what you won't do

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

one client was very moved when we somehow got to talking about the importance of asking for help – not only to help yourself, but to demonstrate to the ppl around you that it's ok to ask for help. stuff like this often comes up in some shape or form https://t.co/XlsBon9A7C

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 3 years ago

28. sometimes it's ok to bother people https://t.co/reghXfi2bu

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

it's very meta and recursive that you can help people by learning how to get good at asking for help, and then asking them for help in ways that make it easy for them to help. they then learn from you how to ask other people for help https://t.co/yfaq3T9irI

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ about 5 years ago

a quick sketch of a blogpost: how to ask for help https://t.co/ERYRjedrsV https://t.co/Au6UEOjWdc

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

one client was a physical therapist of sorts with like 20 years of experience and I found myself spending a lot of the session reassuring them that their unique perspective and point-of-view which differentiated them was a strength, not a weakness. be opinionated!!!

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"the way you explain your stuff casually to smart, interested people that you just met in person, is better than the way you explain your stuff on your website – comparatively tedious, overwrought, doesn't get to the point soon enough. get to the point!! why this? who is it for?"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"if you have success stories, tell those stories! if it involves clients, ask them for permission to share those stories. it might feel a little awkward, but if you actually helped them, some of them will be glad to have helped help other people in turn!" (this is so meta lol)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

1. "What do you do?" 2. "What do you want to be doing?" 3. "What is stopping you from doing what you want to be doing?" 4. "How might we be able to fix that? What might it look like when that's solved?" ofc I dont just race thru these questions, but I listen n observe intensely

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

who's your dream audience? what sort of people do you wanna reach? where do they hang out? what do they care about? what's the intersection between your work and what they care about? could you make better stuff or modify your stuff to be a better fit, w/o compromising yr values?

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"how do you want to be perceived? how would you like people to talk about you?" someone once answered with something like "ideally i don't want to be there at all" lol, to which we can still ask, "how do we make that happen? what might that look like in practice?"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

several clients will recognize "The Expedition", which is how i've come to frame a lot of people's projects. starting a company, a blog, anything, really – you're asking for people's time, money, attention. how can you make them feel good about giving it to you? as an investment? https://t.co/WwjuMnXsvl

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

you don't need to promise guaranteed results– don't promise anything you can't actually guarantee. what you can guarantee is effort. you can say "I am going to explore these areas and share with you what I find". promise interestingness, adventure, or whatever fits your archetype

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

should you write a book? unless it's super meaningful/important to you, i mostly recommend against it until you've built interest in it from at least a couple of dozen would-be readers. there are less intense ways to figure stuff out, share info, etc. the book should write itself https://t.co/Icbc8rf1JX

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

i get a lot of clients who are "bridge between worlds" – ie someone who straddles multiple domains or contexts. they're often self-conscious about this and i spend a bunch of time reassuring them that being a translator is valuable even if u arent shakespeare and dante combined

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

^ lol that great phrasing came out of the blue unexpectedly when struggling with constraint of having to explain the above in 280 characters. i love twitter i will never log off

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

thought experiment i love to spring on my clients: suppose u were given some land and tasked with making "some kind of theme park". you dont have to worry about money, it just has to represent your values at the deepest/highest level. what would it be like? how would you use it?

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

a LOT of my clients are slightly "suffering from success". they're not world-class superstars yet, but they've had something blow up nicely a little bit, they've earned a reputation, their project is moderately successful. now they feel trapped by it and guilty for not loving it

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

so with the theme park thought experiment, they give me two answers – the theme park that they want, and the theme park that they think they should want. i explore both with them, and point out that it's possible to zoom out and imagine both as branches of the same creative tree

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

even over zoom calls i can often see people's body language change as they open up and relax over the course of this^ conversation, bc they didn't quite give themselves permission to consider possibilities. often makes them feel like they're "cheating on" their primary project

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

written well,l a one-page story of your journey up to the point you're at – difficulties, struggles, triumphs, joys, frustrations, curiosities – is a very powerful wingman to get people on your side. ppl often speak it out in conversation; i help point at strong bits

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"Who would you be most excited to work with? Why?" "What would be the most incredible thing that could happen to your project/business/operation? Why? How could we make that more likely? What are some intermediate steps we could define?"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

"what exactly is it that you do for people" is something that is worth getting into a lot of detail on, including all the sidenotes. you want a very high resolution picture of the person who comes in with a problem and leaves with a solution, the full emotional landscape of that

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

qualify the clients you want and disqualify the clients you do not want i think i do this pretty well here (tho it can still be better, i am my own worst client lol) https://t.co/F30WO02e02

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ about 3 years ago

updated my Hire Me page! I'm ready to take on more clients for marketing consulting: https://t.co/nKmJE0xqln https://t.co/DBDwqGqHlb

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

some notes i left in a doc with one of my clients, this is the thing i'm best at doing that's hardest to translate into tweets without context. I zero in on whatever i think is most compelling and deserving of extra attention/detail/love https://t.co/Io4NbnhIQO

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

one big recurring one is to think and talk in terms of open questions. this ties back to the Expedition thing. what are your open questions? what are you trying to answer? this takes topics-as-nouns and turns them into verbs. "How might we use words better to collaborate better?"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

^ you wanna set up a mystery to solve. what open questions are you personally compelled to address? what do *you* want to learn more about? this invites people to join in on your quest. bonus: if you didn't already have this articulated, it can sharpen your motivation!

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Forth ❀️‍πŸ”₯@forthrighterβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv but how am I supposed to project an aura of bulletproof expertise if I state my open questions and mysteries? πŸ˜‰

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @forthrighter

@forthrighter ha. there's an actual answer to that, which is to talk about uncertainties with confidence, which comes with practice, familiarity, etc https://t.co/RUToEUJd6Z

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 7 years ago

@webdevMason Feynman is my gold standard here. Once you get past the nausea of β€œoh my god there’s nothing stable to stand on”, it’s quite liberating and zen, like surfing on waves https://t.co/CEdxzp9uvS

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@forthrighter incidentally grappling with this in practice is a big part of why i struggled with Introspect for about 2 years longer than i thought i would. i had to keep going back and forth on how much confidence vs uncertainty to express. too much uncertainty doesn't help the reader either

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Forth ❀️‍πŸ”₯@forthrighterβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv 1 balance: confidence & uncertainty and what helps the reader another balance: confidence & uncertainty and what exorcises the ideas suitably from our own heads https://t.co/6jpHSodX2U

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvβ€’ over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

i'm getting tired and i'm only about halfway thru my notes lol. but ok i'll call it a night, do a part 2 thread tmr, and then consolidate the 2 threads into a more coherent blogpost on my marketing blog. lmk if you have any questions/thoughts/comments etc!

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