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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago

grief training notes thread https://t.co/3DRMwzLTCn

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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago

y'all know I like grief rituals ... well next week I'll spend four days at Sun Song - pictured - a local landbased community learning & practicing the art of grief-tending ! https://t.co/If97J6nbCm

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5/12/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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“Undischarged grief is the root cause of so many physical ailments. And we have such a backlog, that if our culture truly took individual health seriously, we’d be having a constant grief ritual in the streets”

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5/12/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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hwaaaat there’s a counseling modality that 1. can be conducted entirely nonverbally 2. incorporates comforting physical touch?? like hugging someone if they need it?? incredible. I’ve been pretty fed up with the touch taboo in therapy, when touch can be obviously supportive

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5/12/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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I think it’s this, not sure though, the teacher has just been calling it “physical counseling” https://t.co/EkBqd5vQAI

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5/12/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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woah “the smell of rain on dust” by Martin Prechtel is an amazing audiobook Highly recommend Will post quotes soon

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5/12/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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ok another thing coming up is apparently the US is maybe the most touch-averse culture in the whole WORLD which is inspiring me to wonder whether a norm of “ask before touching anyone” is actually helpful or not… maybe norm of “say no quick, and respect no” would be better https://t.co/waP1tzPrSa

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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago

would you default prefer to be casually touched by friends, or not be casually touched by friends? casual touch meaning - hugs, leaning up against one another while sitting, shoulder touches, cuddles etc

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5/13/2023
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Johnson (Seattle Oct-Nov, Taiwan Dec-)@justavagrant_over 2 years ago
Replying to @relic_radiation

@relic_radiation IMO this is true of any bid for connection - asking someone on a date, inviting someone to a party, wanting to catch up with someone. Bids take courage and are beautiful if they come from a place of purity and lack of expectation (openness to no)

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5/13/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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my gawd much of what I’m learning here is - the practice of being absolutely thoroughly relaxed and delighted by the inherent humanity of the person in front of me, even as they’re sobbing or grief-screaming or being angry af I’m so gladddd for this skill!!!!!!!

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5/14/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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with a moderate helping of “help them tap into their emotions to a deeper layer of access,” keep them in emotional flow and discharge and s t a y c o n n e c t e d, don’t leave them even if they want to hide, say something like “let’s hide together!” and be playful about it

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5/14/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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I came here to thaw out emotional frozenness; gain emotional presence and skill. totally feel like I got that 🙏 how beautiful that there are real places to learn emotional skills. till ~now I’ve felt many such learning grounds a kinda stilted but I like this one. feels real https://t.co/YsMQ5nxjFL

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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago

goals: 1. hang out w Sun Song, I like how they live 2. I've inherited much emotional frozenness from my family. to this day I still freeze up if someone cries around me* - I'd love to instead feel confident & helpful *unless they're on my bodywork table. then I know what to do

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5/14/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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other learnings - “read the person, not the story” wow so long as their emotions keep moving, I *do not need* to know what’s going on with them. the head has very little role to play in this process. completely nonverbal sessions are possible -

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5/14/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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wow feeling SO grateful for the frame of a “grief initiation.” basically - there are times in our lives when something breaks open, and TEARS and WAILING hours a day for months are *exactly* what needs done. or else the ungrieved energy gets stuck and festers in us

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5/20/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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&, so long as we’re able to stay present while this happens - it’s good &soul forming, actually (& ideally held in community!!!) feels like the more *real* version of pop-psych advice to “feel your feelings” … which is directionally onto something, but quite a flimsy container

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5/20/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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ohhhh boy does grief ever have a sound. it's an animalistic howl that splits the sky. this weekend I made that sound a lot. like, hours. and heard it from others too, the most I have in my life. and to think, it's been in all of us this whole time...? https://t.co/afutSD8tKs

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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago

"Grief has a sound. A sound that embarrasses the repressed and offends the oppressive. Grief is the sound of being alive." - The Smell of Rain On Dust, Martin Prechtel

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5/21/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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other big surprise is - clean grief leaves real renewal behind it, and can also be short. what??? multiple times I plunged into unfathomable depths and then 5m later I was like "oh I'm done" and felt light and chatty and playful

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5/21/2023
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QC@QiaochuYuanover 2 years ago
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@relic_radiation yes, that’s how it’s supposed to be https://t.co/sxIQBcxSYK

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 2 years ago

"After being hurt, an infant will cry loudly and continuously and, if permitted to do so, will seem to recover from the hurt very quickly." https://t.co/E6MPbCOLL0

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5/22/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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trippy thing about learning to support someone else, via 'good sustained attention': any of your own stuff going about "am I doing this right??? I hope I am!!!!" is taking you *out* of presence with them. be there, behold them with relaxed delight as if they were a baby

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5/26/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationover 2 years ago
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it's not true that intensity = healing. sometimes it's spinning your wheels, or retraumatizing - aka what my teacher calls "rehearsing your distress". but there's something to a particular state of 'clean intensity' that advances the plot, and can resolve faster than we expect.

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5/28/2023
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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 2 years ago
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@relic_radiation i come back to this thread regularly

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5/24/2023