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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

Doritos are a great proxy for a body seeking lactic acid bacteria related metabolites and butyrate producing strains of cheese-smelling anti-inflammatory bacteria and related SCFAs and proteins.Terpenes, phytochemicals, metabolites? Bacterial and fungal manipulators. https://t.co/ii2Jc4pd8C

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Mark Schatzker@MarkSchatzkerover 3 years ago

Why, I wondered, does flavor have such a hold over us? And why do so many scientists carry on as though nutrition starts from the neck down, that what truly matters in food is carbs, protein and fat, and flavor is just some meaningless and frivolous indulgence?

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Its amazing how understudied gut microbiota's impact on taste receptors is.https://t.co/9kLjzV8Yxy

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I can tell you if I'm low on sodium and zinc by what something tastes like.I learned this by reading up on how geologists taste test rocks.https://t.co/HSfekmLdl6

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

When I get them, I'll eat 4 cans of smoked oysters a whack. Apparently that's 260gThen they start tasting bad for some reason and I go back down to 1 can (65g) every 2-3 days. That means my body seems to self regulate around an average 100% DV of zinc?https://t.co/y8FRMVHXRD

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Calcium Too.https://t.co/nTWSEFpcGW

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

Did you know if you are low on calcium it taste sweet?We are only scratch(and sniff)ing the surface of what is possible.https://t.co/0nfITRV9gw

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Taste receptor expression is interesting to study."This review summarizes how ion channels work during the transduction of multiple tastes, as well as the recent progressions in the epigenetic regulation of ion channels." https://t.co/01Un0ZtpfW

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

There is so much we don't understand. https://t.co/Rqlgm0GVOb

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 5 years ago

nobody:me:if there are taste buds in our anus, and drinking alcohol seems to make olive oil more palatable, does alcohol consumption change how the body responds to the intestinal microbiome beyond the direct impact of alcohol on the bacteria?

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

But if you reject modern nutritional wisdom parroted by 1900's nutritional science, you can start to reframe things in terms of... something else.https://t.co/3kSV2oZPvf

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 7 years ago

Dysgeusia is fascinating. Why do taste sensors seem to show up in parts of the body that deal w/ chemical concentrations, microbial management, or have a high need to maintain homeostatic / immune responses?We have taste receptors in our brain, ovaries/testes, pancreas, & anus.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I can smell gold in the soil. So can you. If you only knew how powerful you really are.https://t.co/zzUVYWRoWO

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 4 years ago

@suspendedreason When you're tiny, everything has a smell, and a taste."You and a fire ant have something in common: you can both smell dirt, and, odds are, you both like it."https://t.co/1geaAmJjK5

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I would bet money this is via synesthesia driven by yet unstudied gut-brain axis phenomena impacting memory & sensory related parts of the brain tied to socially mediated disgust responses as a learning phenomena.https://t.co/Yad155aAeC

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
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Why do severely autistic kids seek out salt and feces? Because indole and sodium tend to be things high in lactic acid bacteria?I hope we can pose these questions better soon. https://t.co/aoBgC6cumq

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

@Grimhood @dlx5dlx6 @marinagamba1909 @ResilientDad @PnkCadyCourtney There are some miserable stories about how parents need to lock the fridge/cuppboard up at night because the kid's pica drives them to excessively eat. Often ends up being malnutrition via gut disorders driving hunger.Salt is a big one that poisons autistic children.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

*sniffs*https://t.co/jGyfyIR9Uv

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

Fun fact, I've never had Covid and my sense of smell is fine AFAICT. Dog shit does smell like fruity rancid wet hay and eggs.What you're smelling is a *lack of* skatol & indole sensitivity.“Poo now smelled better than coffee.”https://t.co/Y8SCaljfQC https://t.co/lPdAg88jRH

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"How Gut Bacteria Tell Their Hosts What to Eat"https://t.co/YtPX4cAUs5

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

Cross correlating immune function and G protein-coupled receptor gene expression factors with gut bacteria metabolites to figure out what terpenes to use to annoy them enough so that eating new things doesn't make me gag.https://t.co/CiXBAGIf7b

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"In our venture to decode the language of fungi, we first uncover if all species of fungi exhibit similar characteristics of electrical spiking activity." https://t.co/iJDmAtbCGZBacterial and fungal farts.https://t.co/uBZnVPRqEa

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

@WeftOfSoul @TEP_Lurking At a fundamental level, we can reframe scent as a latent form of communication, reformulated as game theoretic reputation system under lenses of Axelrod.I now wonder if deep learning algorithms can translate terpenes as a sort of basic grammar.https://t.co/L8rbnqGgyT

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Linalool smells like lavender. Lavender makes me calm.https://t.co/sVRnItq6qc

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 6 years ago

Whats really fun is finding someone who's already 3-5 years ahead of me in exploring TRP function and finding out that all my hunches on terpenes and endocannaboids are mostly correct.Linalool consistently resolves a pain/itch sensation from Flow State.https://t.co/19yDZ6lwIo

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"Against fungi the citral and geraniol oils were the most effective (inhibiting all twelve fungi), followed by linalool (inhibiting ten fungi), cineole and menthol (each of which inhibited seven fungi) compounds."https://t.co/yLlgSwBPflhttps://t.co/Jtvua02GxD

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 5 years ago

@debasis52 @Dominic_Valente @DoctorAjayita Thats fascinating.Many of the terpenes that plants make seem to be fundamentally insecticidal in nature. Other chemicals we see as 'drugs' are also insecticides in some way. I wonder what strains of cannabis they were using.https://t.co/zoWXd89CFP

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Smell and taste are under-rated.https://t.co/rysbtXGFfV

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 6 years ago

Roving gangs of bacteria just oosing around in your intestine, squirting each other with is potentially psychoactive weaponized terpenes and organic acid. Like in colonies of encapsulated slime on an ocean floor.https://t.co/5QqQYT1JvI

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Because we are a society who's cultural learnings are based on studies done on poorly fed orphans during an era endemic with pellegra.https://t.co/H7DVHbA91A

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

@nosilverv @dvdhhhh 100 years of western psychoanalyses not realizing it was scent and microbes, largely because of a history of sub-clinical pellegra biasing our models.https://t.co/UM8oPq4yGG

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

What else have we overlooked? https://t.co/cx87NZBLgg

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

*breaths in wisdom of the ancients*Sure smells like terpenes.https://t.co/q5IPmiRt4a

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Have you tried to see the world thru the lens of a dog?https://t.co/QBZP63yBKs

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

@Plinz @mwiik @sarahdoingthing I induced lexical-gustatory synesthesia back in autumn. I managed to hallucinate the smell and taste of terpenes with key words I was reading in herbal science papers.What is "feeling the future" anyway?https://t.co/0BpD38TqpS

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

We are nose-blind.https://t.co/Dij0EIXCdJ

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago

@QueenOfTheWilis Studies on terpenes are all largely "if we we use this chemical, these bio markers go up" but there is very little in the way of causal modeling going on when I read up on this stuff.Its all "number go up" and then everyone scratching their heads as to why.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I've been washing my hair with pine-tar to fight dandruff driven by fungal species. It smells like pinene. I like pinene.https://t.co/Vt0FNXXBmJ

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 6 years ago

@gwern I breathed in a number of straight terpenes a few days ago that cleared up my nose, and it made me cry because of a how many emotions it was unlocking.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Did you know mucus impact sense of smell?"Our data showed that the α-pinene exhibited significant antiulcerogenic activity and a great correlation between concentration of α-pinene and gastroprotective effect of Hyptis species was also observed." https://t.co/RG4i1CPRIk

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Anosmia."CONCEPT-SHAPED HOLES CAN BE IMPOSSIBLE TO NOTICE" https://t.co/ZibJy2H8qshttps://t.co/UlxxPuQaJR

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

Can humans hibernate?Do you think it's full of weird dreams?Do you wonder if we can't because our guts are fucked?https://t.co/wzPPrkCfOQ

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

What happens if I'm right?https://t.co/TlV0iOY6iT

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago

What happens if I'm right?https://t.co/9nhono1c3G

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

A concept shaped whole so big you could drive an entire bus full of shit thru it and no one would notice.https://t.co/8E9VnNXRJM

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago

@mrterborg This stuff is to new to really work it's way thru society. We were still on mice studies in 2019.https://t.co/jiVdCWLRmn

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I'm planning for 10 years in the future where we start shipping feces via medical drones.https://t.co/vJ4a64vala

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 6 years ago

I know how much feces you can lift with 2000 drones now. https://t.co/Vo8kVCIjZR

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"It seems surprising that such a large percentage of our genome is dedicated to the olfactory system, [...] other mammals, like dog s and rats, live or die by their sense of smell." https://t.co/SFLRPBaeHn

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"We are the first to demonstrate that when humans describe the 'metallic' odor of iron metal, there are no iron atoms in the odors, [...] The odors humans perceive as metallic are really a body odor produced by metals reacting with skin." https://t.co/ZEcpFRm0S4

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

“how does the nose do it? [...] How can it possibly detect something that isn’t even a detectable peak on a gas chromatography-mass spectrometry instrument? This paper solves it in a big way.” https://t.co/7MPOXs3Ipd

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/woZ5YA04aN

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

Spiking Neurons? Meet combinatoral Spiking TRP receptors."Researchers in the past have assumed that because there are only four genes, there are only four heat-sensitive channels, but now we have shown that there are many more" [2012]https://t.co/j0Lbf0LZBe

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/jzQtOCCcLV

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 4 years ago

Our olfaction works on probability domains. The smell we sense is often mediated by what we are looking at. Sensory hallucinations are a feature of how we encode information using multi-modal sensory arrays.https://t.co/nY29VTZdmN

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/PMe87HNJdA

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 4 years ago

Vary the TRP receptor density / expression, and change how they interact to upregulate/downregulate, and you can fine tune what a body part is going to respond to.https://t.co/vg93CTif3K

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Wisdom.https://t.co/uklflhZe9s

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

We have the model wrong.We are vulgar.https://t.co/7EkN6uvSuY

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Imagine thinking we can't see the color purple because scientists can't find the purple receptor in the eye.That's you right now.https://t.co/zztFN7Fbwy

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 4 years ago

Humans are dumb. We make sensors that are tuned to only give a reading under one set of circumstances. We should be thinking about the sensors as multidimensional ranges & fields; engineering overlapping fields that cancel out using computation.That's how TRP receptors work?

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Tired: a musician's musician.Wired: a scientist's scientist.What kind of lab coat would I need to inspire other scientists to try?"it's only because the nice people in the white coats ask them to try."https://t.co/1Utl1xLqKm

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

Have you ever tried to smell if someone was horny? Did you even think it was even possible? "it's only because the nice people in the white coats ask them to try." https://t.co/dNb2kHX7a9

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from meta-science.https://t.co/N6IXX01Jqw

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 4 years ago

Also, that was david bowie."In the history of rock, there is likely no truer magician than Bowie, as he has come to personify how magic works." https://t.co/3ibL4etA8X

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"fluoxetine (Prozac) causes nerve growth in the olfactory bulb after a few weeks. [...] more likely they work by [a cascading system of effects involving] causing nerve growth more generally, and the olfactory bulb benefits along with everything else." https://t.co/5wXju9PaYR

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Smell ya later, losers.https://t.co/x1EorCZvJh

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

"mood stabiliser lithium and the antidepressant fluoxetine, influenced the composition and richness of the gut microbiota. Although some [...] drugs have been previously investigated in in vitro settings, this is the first evidence in an animal" [2019]https://t.co/z6crEpCft1 https://t.co/mKN2FwQwZa

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

*SNIFFS*"To our knowledge, we are the first to study the associations of the oral microbiota with olfactory function in humans." [2021]https://t.co/gM4bxq7EZp

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Wish we knew more about interactions between naturally produced antibiotic peptides in the gut and the role of fluoxetine as an antibiofilm agent against candida.https://t.co/TetwzT3WB3

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago

"The association of fluoxetine with gentamicin and erythromycin P. aeruginosa and E. coli presented synergistic effects, demonstrating that this drug can selectively modulate the activity of antibiotics of clinical use"https://t.co/890RJODd0Mhttps://t.co/BUtCx22YG2

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Sure smells like an overlooked insight."These results reinforce the potential interest of SSRIs as anti-biofilm agents to be study to counteract resistance phenomena on candidosis." https://t.co/xNO6y7t7Py

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"A topical application directly in the vagina can be assumed to be a desirable therapeutic approach, as it would allow direct introduction of drug quantities that can result in high drug concentrations in this milieu."https://t.co/QZDktH6WSe

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

A scent of things to come.https://t.co/lP2kBEq0Gz

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

@MMMalign Did you know the Viking term "Varðlokkur" is the origin of 'warlock' (male witch)?Its funny looking at the space of old herbal cures and 'riding broomsticks'. They all help vaginosis, lol.https://t.co/8cksouBHB3

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

It really is amazing how many papers talk about being able to smell sickness and disease.https://t.co/seTjF5f0No

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago

It's yeasts. Its all yeasts. We are looking for a single causal strain of yeast but its not any particular one. Its all of them.So you get studies like this that just shrug and come to the wrong conclusion. https://t.co/kDrhb30K9J

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

You all reek.https://t.co/ZXqVbhgozU

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

You all stink. You all reek because you don't understand microbiology, and you can't even smell yourselves because of your diet.https://t.co/SbstQSajRi

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"This chemosensory detection of the early innate immune response in humans represents the first experimental evidence that disease smells and supports the notion of a “behavioural immune response” that protects healthy individuals from sick ones" https://t.co/ZxTr0nAz2x

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UltimApe@ultimape22 days ago
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This is also true of all of the work being done to use gut health to fix food addiction. https://t.co/d75xIi4iS5

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Chairman Birb Bernanke@Bonecondor22 days ago

There is a war on your body. The food industry does not care about the consequences of poisoning you, or exploiting addictive behaviors, as long as they can maximize your consumption. They do not care what they have to do, or what it does to you, as long as you keep eating.

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UltimApe@ultimape22 days ago
Replying to @ultimape

Just say no to turboslop. https://t.co/rSANEhwVF7

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UltimApe@ultimape5 months ago

Throw in all the preservatives and synthetic garbage that destabilizes gut health and you also get food cravings tied to the body trying to fix the gut. Many of the flavors that are 'added' can loosely described as similar to the metabolites the body would need to restore them.

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