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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago

when i was a teenager I had an older friend who was a dick to me all the time I would write these long, rambly facebook status essays etc, and he would summarize them in a rather scathing and insulting way- "so in other words / you're saying, just A B C?"

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

back then I was like, god, yea, fuck, you're so smart, i'm so stupid, you took a few words to say what i took so long to say but now I look back and I realize, it is ALWAYS easier to summarize something backwards than to write it forwards, and this doesn't invalidate the essay

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

and yknow, part of the confusion, part of why i tolerated him for so long, was that he *actually read* my essays. so even as he was abusing me in my replies, I saw it as some kind of tough love, like he must really care about me to read everything so closely

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

and looking back I see that it was complicated. a multi-part framework makes it easier to process. I think a part of him did genuinely care about a part of me. and those two parts were great friends. but a part of him was also a vicious, vindictive asshole

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💝@kumbuchaqueenover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Maybe he was trying to communicate

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @kumbuchaqueen

@kumbuchaqueen ain't we all

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

and I have enough context to have some idea of where that came from. he was himself bullied and abused as a kid, for reasons that had nothing to do with him personally. and there's a part of me that really feels for that part of him, and wanted (and still wants!) to protect him

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

until I was maybe 22, nobody else had ever seen or known me as intimately as he had. it's helped me tremendously to have sought out new and different people to confide in, learn about, relate to. it took me a long time to learn that love doesn't have to be vicious

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

and, yknow. it's not like I could point to my family and say, "see, love is supposed to be patient, kind, gentle..." lol. I knew it from books and movies and music, but I didn't know it firsthand until I was about 23. I learned it largely from my colleagues. is that weird? lol

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

my wife always knew. we were bf/gf then. when we were ~18, she told me some soft version of "your friends are terrible" and at the time I was like, ah, this is a typical case of a jealous gf trying to tear a guy from his mates. nope. she is tremendously prescient re: these things

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

here again I find myself thinking that a multi-part framework would've made things much clearer and less contentious. people don't have to be either terrible or amazing, they can be both

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

i don't think my friend hated me or wanted me to suffer or feel pain or anything like that. even the "worst" part of him, I think, wasn't trying to be abusive, but was trying to assert his own dominance. it was his insecurity that brought us together, and it also disfigured us

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

he was also simultaneously *the* most encouraging, supportive person in the group, and the most socially skilled. I mean, he was significantly older than everyone else, so. yea. at the time we all thought it was super cool/flattering that he hung out with us

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

but now that I'm older than he was when we first met, it's like. wait a minute. why was he hanging out with teenagers, lol. couldn't he find friends his own age? like, I have some younger mutuals on here – i have pretty clear boundaries with them, & I am v careful not to overstep

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

anyway. we've since mostly drifted apart and I think that's for the best for both of us. I still feel a deep bond of kinship with him, that's something that doesn't change. at a glance I think he's doing better than he used to, and I imagine he'd say the same about me

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I actually had multiple friends who used to be vicious with me about my writing, lol. This is a different guy!! I think a big part of why we tolerated each other's cruelty was that we each were also cruel to ourselves internally and we related to each other on that front https://t.co/5QrEx6RVWH

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

my social options when I was 16 seemed to be either to hang out with boring prestige-seekers or tortured artists with a full spectrum of undiagnosed issues. seriously ~14 years later it seems that *every* single one of us has a "surprise" – adhd, bpd, ocd, my old crew got it all

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

so like understanding this stuff was never a mere academic curiosity for me, I needed to know the truth, I needed to know what worked, so that I could learn to be loved by the people I wanted to be loved by, which is the people who were fucked up just like me

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

like yea y'kno it turns out there are people who do radiate genuine warmth & sunshine from their being, and if you hang out around them, it does rub off on you, and that's fantastic, actually! it can be lifesaving! I'd say it saved mine! but few ppl talk about that last part

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

and here if this stuff doesn't make sense I think I can use Frodo, Gollum and Sam as a proxy for thinking about it everyone agrees that Sam is a great friend, right? "I can't carry it for you mr frodo but I can carry you!" wow, what a saint, beatific sunshine of a friend

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

sure, yes, and: consider about how sam feels about gollum. Sam does not see gollum as redeemable. he sees him as a cursed, pathetic wretch. we know as the audience that gollum is internally conflicted, and that frodo is enduring the ring's corruption too https://t.co/VY2FsRphlC

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

sam's disdain for gollum is something that has an impact on frodo, because frodo knows that there is a gollum of his own inside his own heart. I don't think frodo can find lasting peace and happiness just by mimicking/LARPing as sam. he has to face and love his own inner gollum

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

although, huh, here I would want to say something to frodo, which is: just because you can feel the corruption of the ring, does not mean that you need to identify with every single person who has also been corrupted by it gollum's torment does not prophesize your own

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

it is not frodo's job to *save* gollum the tender paradox is always... that insisting on that heroic rescue would perpetuate that problem, because it reemphasizes the frame that gollum is wretched, unbearable, and in *some* sense must be destroyed

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

so how do you walk the path here? I think there's a common impulse here to ask, "ok so what's the remedy, what do I change, what do I fix"– and in here too still there is a neediness for things to be better. the challenge is really to accept things as they are. sounds weird i kno

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

but we can't fix our friends. we can't fix our family. we can't fix our children. they are not our property to fix. we can only be present with them. few people have spent much time ever being truly present. it's rejuvenating, transformative https://t.co/cmHHDsv5vN

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

it is precisely the impulse to fix things, that anxiety about things being broken, and brokenness being bad, that makes everything worse. the galaxy brain frame shifts are like, 1, brokenness is ok, and 2, nothing is broken actually https://t.co/UASZbi0Zfd

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvabout 4 years ago

I loved Alan Watts for many years (still do, tho I haven’t listened in a while) and the most challenging of his riffs that I struggled to understand was “The reason you want to be better, is the reason why you aren’t.” It seemed bleak as fuck to me, and he said it with a laugh

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

and this might sound like parlor game sophistry in text, but you can feel it in music. in music, the flinching from mistakes is what makes a mistake a Mistake. otherwise its just happy accidents that you can integrate into your play. https://t.co/jQRAgCATYI

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvabout 4 years ago

“you can make every note work with every chord [...] rather than say this note is good or bad, it’s more, this note hasn’t found it’s consequence yet, or this note is in the wrong context [...] if it feels right, then it's probably fine." – @jacobcollier https://t.co/7ePxG3sv8E

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

anyway for meta-meta context for all of this..... https://t.co/TFnTrGijQV

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvalmost 4 years ago

look, my book seems like its slow when you think about how it's a bunch of text being edited, but it's actually going really fast when you think about how it's me revisiting and reprocessing every single traumatic moment in my life

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_over 1 year ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Care is presence

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv >so that I could learn to be loved by the people I wanted to be loved by, which is the people who were fucked up just like me well this is ringing in my ears today

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 2 years ago
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@visakanv don’t have a lot of thinking or feeling about it, just have noticed it https://t.co/chtHcCKcXM

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthabout 4 years ago

The people who feel most like my friends are also a bit lonely. What means?

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💝@kumbuchaqueenover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv This is the tough part about tone is sometimes that’s what people need in a specific moment.Now whether the greater guild of dispensers of harsh tone are doing so in others interest is another story

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abhay@abhayanceover 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv I don’t know how deep you’ve gone down Girard’s mimetic desire stuff but it hit hard in relation to very similar stuff I’ve gone through re: guy friends. Highly recommend the David Cayley podcast with Girard called The Scapegoat. Thanks for sharing 💗

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˚♡⋆mimi ˚♡⋆。☆∴@mimi10v3over 3 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Reconsidering something I thought was a positive habit of summarizing back what someone is saying to show that I'm listening..... 😔

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