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Hazard@natural_hazard• almost 4 years ago

"everyone agrees that X is bad, we just don't agree on what X is" THAT MEANS PEOPLE DON'T AGREE THAT X IS BAD IN ANY MEANINGFUL SENSE https://t.co/DVhLhJVKY6

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Hazard@natural_hazard• almost 4 years ago

Replying to @natural_hazard

sorry, what I meant to say was something like: the straightforward meanings of "everyone agrees" are untenable, and if we investigated what people actually meant by "everyone agrees X is bad" we'd notice something incredibly fucky is going on

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12/1/2021

Hazard@natural_hazard• almost 4 years ago

Replying to @natural_hazard

so what does "everyone agrees X is bad" mean? people are in agreement that the word "coercion" is a label for a decision rule who's behavioral consequences are "punish" this is agreement about how a *word* fits into a norm landscape, not a *concept* https://t.co/x6op4fVFRF

Hazard@natural_hazard• about 4 years ago

Old post I forgot to tweet! When Arguing Definitions is secretly Arguing Decisions it's kind of a comic strip! https://t.co/ezuUT7841Z

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tess@xsphi• almost 4 years ago

Replying to @natural_hazard

@natural_hazard You call coercion coercion when you think the coercion is bad. You call coercion something else when you think it's good.

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12/1/2021

Hazard@natural_hazard• almost 4 years ago

Replying to @natural_hazard

https://t.co/u8bmaprPjW

Hazard@natural_hazard• almost 4 years ago

@unseenhorizons like, say "everyone agrees that Dave is bad". If we aren't all talking about the same Dave, it's not the case that we all agree that Dave is bad. Diff Dave's are dissimilar enough that any semblance of agreement falls apart hella fast if we aren't talking about the same thing

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12/1/2021

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• almost 4 years ago

Replying to @natural_hazard

@natural_hazard "everyone agrees we should coerce coercive people into not coercing anymore" 😂 https://t.co/ON3yPQw3D1

Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago

you can’t bully people into respecting other people’s autonomy, you can only bully people into becoming bullies

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12/2/2021

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• almost 4 years ago

Replying to @natural_hazard

@natural_hazard Reduction: virtually everyone agrees that there is a strong moral presumption against evil. There is, however, considerably less agreement about the nature of evil.

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12/2/2021