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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago

i think "bad at thinking" is key, different than "intelligent" theres an element of self control involved thats not broadly taught and seems to be endowed or learned rarely but feels key i think ASD-adjacent people often though not always have an advantage here https://t.co/8sEL7LN1tW

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot isn't this just the high-decoupler/low-decoupler thing?

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Robin Houston@robinhouston• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@mechanical_monk @eigenrobot Is ā€œlow-decouplingā€ just a polite way to say bad at thinking? (Honestly not sure, but I wonder if it might be)

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @robinhouston

@robinhouston @eigenrobot not for me thinking is a tool fit for a purpose, low-decoupling thinking is fit for some purposes (eg. day to day status regulation in a tribe) and not others (eg. academic theorizing) it has its place for sure https://t.co/ox8dA2atCL

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monk@mechanical_monk• about 5 years ago

autistic centrists think that words are just words, harmless little things, why don't you guys want words? but of course words are not just words, words are a coordination mechanism (tbh a lot of things are a coordination mechanism) https://t.co/IK0uHj6lGg

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Robin Houston@robinhouston• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@mechanical_monk @eigenrobot okay. but isn’t someone who can *only* do the former in some sense less good at thinking than someone who can do both?

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @robinhouston

@robinhouston @eigenrobot yeah that sounds about right

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Robin Houston@robinhouston• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@mechanical_monk @eigenrobot wait, @acidshill already said this (even less tactfully than me) https://t.co/gDMcVUjvsf

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

hm probably https://t.co/lffvgwnj56

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago

@eigenrobot isn't this just the high-decoupler/low-decoupler thing?

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

ok it feels related but different or maybe just a subset of possible modes also not to do this AGAIN but perhaps kegan 3: coupling kegan 4: decoupling kegan 5: recoupling https://t.co/fNEfPUG1cF

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

ok enough twitter for one night gn kings

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

https://t.co/pTLZY3tDjt

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago

@eigenrobot many intelligent people are *advanced* bad at thinking

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot kegan 5 would be something like "coupling or decoupling as needed on a case by case basis"

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QC@QiaochuYuan• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot so, taking "coupling" as literally as possible, we get kegan 3: sex positivity kegan 4: sex negativity kegan 5: ???

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

@QiaochuYuan https://t.co/KLSxAeNK0M

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• over 4 years ago

@GracchiSimp @clockworkwhale sex is good like starting a fire is good or punching someone in the face is good

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QC@QiaochuYuan• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot kegan 1. yes. good. retvrn

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

@QiaochuYuan @eigenrobot kegan 5 is you get tired of sex discourse and go fuck someone, or not, as per your preferences

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@QiaochuYuan @eigenrobot which sounds like i'm just attempting to be "funny" but i mean maybe i don't have to have a position on whether "sex, overall, good" or "sex, overall, bad" i can feel in which direction virtue lies in my own personal life, and it's not easy, but easier than constructing opinions

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@QiaochuYuan @eigenrobot anyway i'm not kegan 5 yet https://t.co/UO8AXD1pfr

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monk@mechanical_monk• almost 4 years ago

i wanna chime in on sex positivity discourse but all i have is basic bitch liberalism sex is fine

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @mechanical_monk

@mechanical_monk @QiaochuYuan i think i yelled this at qc wrt sex discourse basically yeah same spot if i understand you sex as an absolute good or bad is a barmy stance https://t.co/bjt8v9fBAa

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QC@QiaochuYuan• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot @mechanical_monk [pushes up glasses] sexual eternalism https://t.co/PM6n4xoGpf

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David R. MacIver@DRMacIver• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot I think "inability" is doing a lot of work here. People not wanting to do the thing you're asking them to do is not reliably a sign that they can't do it.

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David R. MacIver@DRMacIver• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @DRMacIver

@eigenrobot Probably more often people don't want to consider morally charged hypotheticals because they distrust the motives of the people asking.

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @DRMacIver

@DRMacIver yeah there is that

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @DRMacIver

@DRMacIver @eigenrobot yup, IME if you want people to seriously consider morally charged hypotheticals you have to do a lot of work to earn their trust first, bc otherwise you pattern match to "threatening to the social order" https://t.co/zskY0IszbU

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago

Friendly Ambitious Nerd fixes this šŸ˜ thinking (asking questions, being a nerd) is historically contrary to human culture. Most human creativity was expended suppressing creativity, bc perceived threat to the social order. Society is broadly anti-thinking, always has been https://t.co/o3wSiTjHdD

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David R. MacIver@DRMacIver• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv @eigenrobot Yeah. I think a lot of bad Twitter experiences come from people behaving in ways only suitable for high trust environments, which are then visible to people who don't trust them because Twitter is public.

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot many intelligent people are *advanced* bad at thinking

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv YES

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot if you're dumb you can only do mild damage to yourself and others before you run out of juice/steam. random shouting and thrashing about if you're smart you can do advanced damage to yourself and others. invent ideology, send millions of people to hell

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@eigenrobot usually the problem is smart people are cowards, and they are looking for their keys under the streetlights of their intelligence, instead of in the bushes of their fear where they dropped them https://t.co/wDKS62i5dG

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago

you can’t think your way out of a courage deficit

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@eigenrobot in case above tweet unclear https://t.co/jZuQSJ7uFW https://t.co/9iXOJu9G0w

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago

Thank you Mario! But the root of our problem is in another castle!

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@eigenrobot I can go on about this for hours lol i'm writing a book about it. maybe topic of our next podcast chat once i'm done

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv yes let's please. need a little time on my side to get settled too.

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QC@QiaochuYuan• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot @visakanv hyyype for this

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QC@QiaochuYuan• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv @eigenrobot "advanced damage" is going to live rent-free in my head

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