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goblin waifu@goblinodds• about 4 years ago

infohazard on the other hand, we seem to be p routinely incapacitated by pain. is this common among animals? https://t.co/mFleZoDaGI

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goblin waifu@goblinodds• about 4 years ago

Replying to @goblinodds

or are we just incapacitated bc we know we wont die if we just stop for a bit

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @goblinodds

@goblinodds The problem a lot of people miss with pain is that some of the pains aren't always adaptive. Having an agonizing leg cramp while swimming is often fatal.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds Treating pain as one totalizing and conserved feature treated as a bulk thing acted on by evolution ignores how these signals are myriad and modifiable by situation.So comparing them as a cohesive 'pain amount' is where the problem with this argument is rooted.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds I can also call into question a couple of other assumptions. That "pain" and suffering are the same thing. And also the idea that is a the Darwinian "purpose" of pain.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds Outward expression of pain may very well be a social convention to signal conspecifics of experiences. Could be different from internal learning experiences driven by pain, suggesting it may have other purposes.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds And this is completely ignoring acute vs chronic vs hallucinatory pain. Rolling it all up into one singular "suffering" scale and then comparing different animals and humans together with it?Epic trolling.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds Suffering is an abstract noun.https://t.co/fxlonLVyNz

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds Suffering is hibernation.https://t.co/rKVQupW6Ac

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8/1/2021

UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds I think it's funny how many Buddhist meditative practices seem to trigger states that look a heck of a lot like psychological hibernation. And how so many of our pain receptors are activated by temperature. https://t.co/ZtwF2kn1Qy

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8/1/2021

goblin waifu@goblinodds• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@ultimape whoa :0

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8/1/2021

UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @goblinodds

@goblinodds I want to stick hotsauce up my butt for science. I can experience extreme suffering and try to figure out why TRPV1 receptors (a major pain pathway) seem to cause so many interconnected immune and metabolic responses in our body. https://t.co/U70jgk0CGx

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8/1/2021

UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds Dawkins can speculate all he wants, but until he is willing to do this himself, he's just full of hot air. https://t.co/y2biOhSsyz

UltimApe@ultimape• about 5 years ago

This stuff isn't fun. And Capsaicin poisoning is a potential life threatening agent, if you accidentally inhale it.I'm treating it like an infectious agent. BSL-1 at least.https://t.co/YnZdDQYb6X https://t.co/eDEAFBbjoe

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds I find it really funny how he's literally written science papers on the topic of the evolution of hiccups being vestigial and I think he's wrong. My idea explains why chilli peppers give us hiccups.https://t.co/PLvqf3yuKohttps://t.co/eWzjYDQmMV

UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago

And when I shitpost about hiccups and amphibians, its because I'm exploring how breath is managed within our body. I wondered why anal sex cures hiccups, and found that epilepsy can cause them. CO2 homeostasis is complex!https://t.co/XIFvmEY83t

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds and has direct ties amygdala (CO2 sensor listening to the vagus nerve) + fear pathways related to autism.https://t.co/icrr4BjMfwAll my ideas can be traced to how I think he's deluding himself with "evolution caused this, therefor I'm right".https://t.co/d0mODyA8GB

UltimApe@ultimape• almost 8 years ago

Even the CO2 mediation is due to a vagal nerve + amygdala feedback loop. Blood PH is largely due to balencing CO2 -> Bohr effect.https://t.co/cba26D6poV

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds Evolution don't give a F*^{ about preconceived notions of effective utility.Darwinian Theory is asleep, make new genes for no reason.https://t.co/cqa4ujCqLa

UltimApe@ultimape• almost 6 years ago

"Scientists also wonder why evolution would bother making genes from scratch when so much gene-ready material already exists. Such basic questions are a sign of how young the field is." https://t.co/uIhVOxAxfq

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

Replying to @ultimape

@goblinodds "A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available"https://t.co/IOgeBmuEng^ Dawkin's accidental trolling M.O.He's got it down to an art. He trolls himself.https://t.co/x6Cor8vf39

UltimApe@ultimape• about 6 years ago

Does anybody else remember when Dawkins talked about cannibalism in a theoretical sense and everybody was framing him as supporting the idea?You'd think a guy who went & spit on god himself would be against ritualized cannibalism.https://t.co/49GlplYjNK

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