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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago

A model: There exist two multifarious, mutually opposite and mutually complementary ways of being. Let us say that they are 'divine': greater than us; inherently worthy; indefatigable. They are spirits to be possessed by; forces to channel. (Epistemic status: vibing.)

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

We may call them anything. A and B. 1 and 2. Bouba and Kiki. Choose whichever names you like. Regardless of your sex and gender, you are encouraged to inhabit either spirit; or even both, if you want. But let us nonetheless call them the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

They are wholly complementary; the world -- and to some extent, I suspect, any person, though I am not confident here -- would be incomplete in some sense if either were lacking. They balance each other; they need each other. Here I give my own inexpert interpretation of them.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

Again, I want to stress that masculine != men, and feminine != women. I do occasionally use this framework to understand the genders, but I aim not to be normative, not even to describe. Most people inhabit both forces, to different extents, at different times.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

This model contradicts itself in many places. Qualities that seem masculine from one angle, seem feminine from another, and vice versa. And nowadays, many gender dynamics are in flux, and many conclusions will seem, and be, false. So it goes. Then, without further ado...

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine is space-holding. The Feminine is space-filling. The Masculine is attention-giving. The Feminine is attention-filling. The Masculine is space-cleansing. The Feminine is space-enriching.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine cares about the goal. It values the achievement. Its love for competition is born from this. The Feminine cares about the journey. It values the process. Its love for co-operation is born from this.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine is rational. The Feminine is emotional. The Masculine is calm and stillness. The Feminine is intensity and eventfulness.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine is direct. It is text; content; words. It is the thing which gets done. The Feminine is indirect. It is subtext; context; tone and gestures and body language. It is the way the thing gets done.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine is stable. The Feminine is dynamic. The Masculine is structured. The Feminine is spontaneous. The Masculine is Order. The Feminine is Chaos.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine is leading. The Feminine is following. The Masculine is dominant. The Feminine is submissive.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine seeks out new optima. The Feminine safeguards existing optima. The Masculine is to amass. The Feminine is to protect. The Masculine explores. The Feminine exploits.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine approach is an ascent towards the mind, the universal, the abstract. It finds distance and safety from what is inside. In this, the Masculine risks becoming disconnected from what is inside and around.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Feminine approach is a descent into the body, the material, the real world. It expresses and releases what is inside. In this, the Feminine risks becoming too attached to what is inside and around.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine controls others through violence: "Do this, and I will hurt you." Its weakness is that its power enforces responsibility. The Feminine controls others through victimhood: "Do this, and you will hurt me." Its weakness is that its lack of agency robs it of freedom.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine takes and wields power. It is primarily comfortable when it has power itself. The Feminine grants power and supports others. It is primarily comfortable when it can empower others.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine uses its own desires as the basis for its actions; it hereby risks caring too little about others, and may harm others. The Feminine uses the desires of others as the basis for its actions; it hereby risks caring too little about itself, and may harm itself.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine probes and crosses boundaries. The Feminine sets and holds boundaries. The Masculine failure mode here is to be too scared that probing boundaries will cause harm. The Feminine failure mode here is to be too scared that setting boundaries will cause harm.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

In a solely Masculine world, nobody can trust that their boundaries won't get crossed, and everyone lives in fear of getting hurt. In a solely Feminine world, nobody's boundaries are clarified, and everyone lives in fear of hurting others.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

Masculine support is entoughening and abrasive. It hardens but sometimes breaks others. Feminine support is soothing and coddling. It softens but sometimes disempowers others.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine resolves problems through solving them. It supports others by giving solutions. It seeks to grant agency. The Feminine resolves problems through sharing and expressing them. It supports others by validating. It seeks to take away the burden of responsibility.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

Masculine is to love and want. Feminine is to be loved and be wanted.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine cares about improving oneself. It seeks enlightenment first. The Feminine cares about improving the world. It seeks heaven first.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The Masculine despairs in feeling like one will never be virtuous enough for the world. The Feminine despairs in feeling like the world will never be virtuous enough for oneself.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

I invite you to hold these definitions side by side, to see how many of these aspects interrelate and inter-cohere. Many traits seem in truth to be different expressions of either of two greater underlying modes. Let us call these modes Divine Masculinity and Divine Femininity.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

I encourage you to discover which of these modes is most natural to you; and how far you can reach out, in different contexts, towards either mode. I encourage you to find your comfort zone, and to experiment with exploring whichever side feels most new to you. Play. Discover.

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

Or, as indeed it is said: Fuck around, and find out.

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Forth ❤️‍🔥@forthrighterover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL I like it. It feels similar to the hermetic principle of polarity; in order to have a thing (temperature) there must be hot and cold and now you have two polar sides of the same thing. So it goes with all of your comparisons

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL This is unreally good

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL Earthly heaven (feminine) vs Sky heaven (masculine)...?

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL probing boundaries ≠ hurting not probing ≠ not hurting

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Imp@imperialauditorover 3 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL what does its power enforces responsibility mean?

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 3 years ago
Replying to @imperialauditor

@imperialauditor it's power that is legible to others as being power, so they will watch how you use it and treat you accordingly. this is different from feminine power which lies primarily in shaping things such that other people will themselves take certain decisions that you may benefit from

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 3 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@imperialauditor masculine power has little deniability which means it's got a much larger attack surface. in some areas there exist cultural pressures to reduce deniability around power, e.g. "if you benefit from X, you are complicit in X even if you aren't actively perpetuating it."

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 3 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@imperialauditor speaking very very broadly: a man who wants things may at some point have to defend them. a woman who wants things may, if skilled and lucky, position herself in such a way that others give her what she wants and will defend those things for her.

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Imp@imperialauditorover 3 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL ah, "uneasy lies the head..."

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 3 years ago
Replying to @imperialauditor

@imperialauditor yeah. though uneasy too is the person who culturally must depend on others to fulfill their desires, if they can't find people who will do this. both sides have upsides and downsides. I do think they're meaningfully different roles.

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Imp@imperialauditorover 3 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL did you mean increase deniability? I don't quite see the connection

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Elodes@ElodesNLover 3 years ago
Replying to @imperialauditor

@imperialauditor no, I meant reduce deniability. there are absolutely also movements to increase deniability though (and almost exclusively for women).

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL Masculine conquers through brutalist oppression Feminine through insidious subversion

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL Split the emotions The masculine is rational The feminine is irrational (It is not bad to be irrational) The masculine is VIOLENTLY ENRAGED The feminine is HYSTERICALLY, UNHINGEDLY SORROWFUL

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @cocadonv

@ElodesNL This picture of calm/still vs intensity is not flying with me The Masculine, when calm and still, is noble, intelligent, piercingly insightful The feminine when still is unconditionally loving, protecting, nurturing, understanding, and WISE

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @cocadonv

@ElodesNL In a certain sense, female wisdom is vague It goes in the specific->general direction Male wisdom is concrete, material It goes in the general->specific

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cado@cocadonvover 4 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@ElodesNL Like a bomb or some other violent force that exterminates and conquers And in its wake comes its wife, decorating the ravaged wasteland into a beautiful forest or some shit Boutta fuck your thread up, sorry

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