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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago

Has the Industrial Revolution and its consequences been a disaster for the human race? https://t.co/28ihvD0Z7F

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Imagine believing truth can be inferred democratically by way of rational postulations of facts & debate. Certainly won't devolve into bunch of concern troll rule lawyer'ing to support alternative model of reality. Or naive models winning by default.https://t.co/HQ1rEbjr1g https://t.co/XK1oMSLFuQ

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I'm only here to shit on the idea of rational debate as a game for rich people to signal their IQ by showing who's more rational.https://t.co/gHR1BANOEkhttps://t.co/jh8u3vLgqh

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago

Since @KialoHQ keeps advertising to me how great their platform is for discussions, I decided to give it a shot. #adnoyance https://t.co/hRN7ZQQO1y

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Meme fight!https://t.co/IilfnmHMYq

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 10 years ago

Ideas don't spread by logic..."People attack and defend concepts and ideas with emotional, personal motivations." https://t.co/zZG30plJ5I

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Blinded by logic.https://t.co/q9EvTiB5X2

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UltimApe@ultimape• almost 9 years ago

"Feynman uses his imagination to probe the scientific frontiers beyond the bounds of logic…"https://t.co/jESeIsvqq5

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

When is it rational to be irrational?https://t.co/562lfkIZ7L

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UltimApe@ultimape• almost 9 years ago

Robert Anton Wilson, on John von Neumann's invention of "maybe logic".Was RAW's absurdity simply utility functions?https://t.co/ARXBRAb9Px

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

RAW's Maybe logic is just Bayesian reasoning applied to models themselves. Error bars of thought.https://t.co/SRtAa3YW6A

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago

I just don't use words you do.Error bars? Chaos? Quantum Physics?"But it's random variation around a signal, a true signal, and when you add all of the random variation on each side of the true signal together, you get closer to the true signal."https://t.co/pBrodP9afB

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

They called it Syllogistic logic because later intellectuals called it silly.https://t.co/tLi1lpr16u

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 8 years ago

Syllableism, understanding thru logic & inference of bad stories.Syllogism, understanding thru poetry & misdirection of bad spelling.

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If you study the nature of metalogic for the sake of exploring how logic is used and abused to signal prestige norms under debate theory, is that metametalogic?Is that illogical?https://t.co/NYQLh7VzHR

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I mean one of the things Kialo is advertising is a version of a Pascal's Mugging! The people whom are most willing to enter in this debate would be those who are ideologically driven, and so their advertising is effectively filters for biased opinions. 😂https://t.co/FvNWo7LspQ

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If you seed your debate platform with ideology signaling games and memetic infohazards, your community is going to be full of bias. The incentives itself are rigged. But they can ignore that because "we're promoting rational debate".jpg

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

It also assumes greatly that these areguments are taking place in a vacuum, but in reality their advertising is acting as a filter. Its the same kind of failure is thinking that lead to the Milgram Experiments and Stanford Prison Experiments being biased.

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

The kind of person who clicks on Kialo's ads is either a troll or driven by their emotions over a topic. You aren't going to get clam rational debate if you seed via advertising. But you are going to get a massive growth and appease investors. Metagaming.https://t.co/Z5f2pbu90f

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 9 years ago

The game makes the community.https://t.co/fFk2sF1ZWw

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

This mechanism only works if you're not biasing your community full of other trolls and emotionally driven individuals.https://t.co/ipIiCiYxMj

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 8 years ago

You can learn more about truth faster not by 'correct' beliefs, but by having others explain why your trollish misappropriations are bad.

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