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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

The public is insufficiently educated on how to be a good public

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I think this is civilisation-specific (ie not an issue for a egalitarian hunter-gatherers who live enmeshed lives). And I think appreciating this requires appreciating that civilisation is hierarchical, stratified. The reality of status hierarchies is starker than we articulate

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

The reality of status heirarchies is starker than we articulate https://t.co/cK0cAIEf8y

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

Here’s an interesting comparison - high ranking military officials, by themselves, and in the presence of the Minister of Defence. Watch the hands https://t.co/BcwbxOnwTH

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Nobody introduces you to sexism 101, racism 101 or status heirarchies 101 when you’re a child. This is something you have to learn through fumbling experience and unverified hearsay, the way most people learn about sex https://t.co/lxitHyRBnX

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

A picture I really like is Obama fistbumping one of the White House cleaning staff. It’s a sweet picture of what I believe is a genuine moment. But isn’t it also interesting how neither of them is making solid eye contact? It’s kind of “peripheral”. But maybe it’s just the photo https://t.co/pJLd3leVm8

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Circling back. The public isn’t educated to be a good public because it isn’t in the interest(s) of the ruling class, not really. The public is educated to obey, to regulate & be regulated, to work. There are lots of shitty smartbro takes on this, but underlying truth remains

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Many (most?) people fantasize about being a king, queen, prince, princess. Many (most?) people secretly know that the public commons is a dumpster fire, and aspire to have enough power to avoid being trampled by the great herd of humanity https://t.co/ockzSpKsqr

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

It’s interesting to me how, while we’ve generally as a species shaken off the idea of kings with divine mandates to rule over lesser humans, a lot (most?) of our aspirational myths are still centered on monarchies - from Thor and T’Challa to Elsa and Jasmine

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

In the short run, for the quarterly report, the public yields the most profits when it is most anxious, fearful, outraged, disgusted. If you advocate for fewer ads, less hyperbole, a better user experience, you’ll probably get replaced by someone else who doesn’t care

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

In the earliest conceptualization of “civilised” humanity, there were the rulers and the serfs. The masters and the slaves. The bougies and the proles. The clever trick of late-stage capitalism is selling gold-plated chains as a substitute for liberty

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

It’s tempting at this point to point a finger at a mysterious Man who’s Out To Get Us And maybe some people bear more responsibility than others for kickstarting the profit-seeking hyperdrive But correcting it will IMO require a planetary effort that has never been coordinated

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I changed my mind about something halfway in that last tweet I was going to say “we are all responsible, it’s our collective insecurity” I’m not so sure that’s accurate apart from in the most superficial sense the asshole problem is real

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Assholes are the 1% of people that cause 74% of the problems everywhere they go The challenge is to deal with assholes without becoming an asshole yourself in the process It’s sadly-funny and true that anti-assholes are some of the worst assholes https://t.co/cN9lk79fSo

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 7 years ago

This is the general problem of assholes in public commons. They make up 1% of the group, cause 74% of the damage, and ruin everybody's experience. And we let them, because we still haven't learned to do better. https://t.co/ClwTHgW4Na

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9/26/2018
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Threadblogged: https://t.co/vuuOY2aRDA

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1/24/2019
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

The networks are really in business to give people what they want. https://t.co/GnPtanX5s7

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3/1/2019
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

If you don’t want to do that, we’ll replace you with someone who does https://t.co/9YsFpb5jrR

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

capitalism never says “torture the workers” or “incite genocide in distant countries”. all it says is “maximize profits or we’ll replace you with someone else who does”. it’s a system that introduces plausible-enough deniability about the relationship between actions and outcomes

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3/1/2019
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• about 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv https://t.co/YUkCOVuYha

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• over 4 years ago

The paradox I'm currently in love with: 1. existing culture is fucked up in ways I'll collectively call "A" 2. "A" is trying to fuck you up 3. "A" = "people trying to protect from being fucked up by A" 4. thus to shift "A" to "B", one must protect against "A" without protecting

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8/10/2021
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Matt@mattdsegal• about 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Funny, I'm reading a book, Rise and Fall of Nations, goes into this in quite a bit of detail: "knowledge about collective goods is itself a collective good'.

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7/13/2020
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Matt@mattdsegal• about 5 years ago
Replying to @mattdsegal

@visakanv Author thinks that there is "rational ignorance" of collective goods because research or learning benefits everyone a lot in aggregate, but only a small amount for the individual.

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7/13/2020
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Matt@mattdsegal• over 2 years ago
Replying to @mattdsegal

@visakanv The Rise and Decline of Nations* never read rise and fall

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1/17/2023
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• over 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Have you heard Daniel Schmachtenberger's whole thing about this? he has a particular shape that's pretty good, about mutual checks & balances between 3 things (I forget which 3 but ish "government" "markets" "public") https://t.co/5MsVjCGnbh

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• almost 5 years ago

Latest 🤯 video by Daniel Schmachtenberger, which talks in depth about memetic warfare and the information commons, then shares a project he's working on to create a source of news & epistemic education. If The Social Dilemma concerns you, check this out: https://t.co/EEbvp8Vf4M

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4/8/2021
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

@Malcolm_Ocean vaguely familiar tho tbh at this stage I’m much more focused on just finding individual good people and adding them to my network/graph. Will worry about bigger picture forces etc when they start to affect me

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4/8/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Ocean• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv https://t.co/LbzGWQ6Dll

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9/21/2021