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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago

Epic thread exploring various narratives around moralizing food and how it is used to control populations.Cholesterol (fried food) moralizing is particularly interesting; the classic test for that in blood is flawed and suggests many false positives. https://t.co/GrepvVwoX3 https://t.co/nWOyqfgjCE

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Exploring my own genetics as it relates to cholesterol processing (Multiple Sclerosis appears to be a disorder of cholesterol in the brain) has unearthed all sorts of weird variations that are particularly high among European populations. Likely due to to effects of the plague?

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

A ritualized moralizing around food + perspectives on what one ought to eat might be a good idea for a particular group. But to project these beliefs onto other populations via positions of privilege, claiming to help the public health? I can't see it as anything but ignorance.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

To me it is about as dumb as forcing everyone to wear glasses because the privileged class in a position of power happen to have myopia genes.I know we have hipster glasses now - with people wearing frames with no lenses. imagine if that was done under a sense of public health?

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

In the past it might have made sense to assume populations were at risk for a particular ailment. E.g. people who's lineages stem from malaria prone places are at risk for sickle-cell.But with modern genetic, this *assumption* is starting to show cracks.https://t.co/vB7JHATHUR https://t.co/5JLwT7vsow

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

To get a clear head around how these disease things work, you've got to have a bullshit sensor tuned to sniff out when all of this systemic racism stuff influences research. Sometimes, like Freud's research on autism in boys, it can be a tainting factor for entire fields.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Even now, I see evidence of this kind of moralizing influencing narratives. When researching the history of vagal nerve stimulation and constipation I find all sorts of negative puritanical frames projected on the past. You have to sniff that out too. https://t.co/Z93U6wICL4

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 8 years ago

The worlds of the past is a lot easier to understand if you can frame the way that their attention was focused and the kinds of social situations they faced. Once you realize Kellogg was a product of his situation, his bias are a lot easier to see thru.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If we assume that the population of people Kellogg was studying had some kind of serotonin imbalance leading to constipation (like I seem to have). It makes more sense that he was sticking yogurt (probiotics) up peoples butts, and obsessed with vagal stimulation and sunlight.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If you view all of that thru modern lenses of him doing sexually perverse things, you're going to miss that. You're going to project your own morals, from a position of privilege and get the same dynamic. A privileged population using assumptions about biology to oppress another.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I say this not to entrench a belief of genetic differences. The last thing I want to imply is any kind of superiority or eugenics or any kind of nazi level survival of the fittest bullshit. My entire point is that this kind of bullshit is a result of that.https://t.co/2Zxo0VdpXJ

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 9 years ago

My idea: understanding genetics, biochemistry, behavior psychology, and sociobiology, are at the core of identifying their "best selves".

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

When I see any hint that one group should be forced into eating a certain way, or perform a certain ritual, my skin crawls. My entire interest in personalized medicine is self determination. I've lived my life being told wrong things. Cultural moors assuming what is good for me.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I find myself within my own oppressed group - neurodivergent, poverty, etc.I think in the past I'd be seen as a changeling, murdered for being a demon.If I even lived that long.We're still exorcising demons from autistics, just under a different name.https://t.co/mLfNC2uN4X

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I don't have claims of racial oppression, but its the same pattern. Society forming belief systems and emergent systemic friction that act as rebuffs against those who don't fit the mold.It is insidious, pervasive, and I suspect often weaponized.https://t.co/JzynTQj5kA

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

Sometimes, read comments?"Getting dogs to act like cats, because the group needs more cat-like members than it has"https://t.co/yOh3sMQMXA https://t.co/o7UDAv4cI7

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Our society is monstrous.https://t.co/xuOvJZyTzZ

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 8 years ago

The vaccine narrative: I couldn't invent a better bit of propaganda to spread if I actually wanted to hurt autistic etiology.https://t.co/ijGeP25Odc https://t.co/WvBMNbCOEq

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Monstrous.https://t.co/Bc7uJLT2Wp

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 9 years ago

Culture war casualties. Both sides amping up a message of hate:"ki-kil-kill yourself" is their veiled battle cry.https://t.co/1BXmV4x1Rc

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Monstrous.https://t.co/EDZOkdNx46

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 9 years ago

I'm sorry I disgust you. I am not beautiful. My outward shell is cursed with horns. I don't want to be a monster.https://t.co/ATCiJLAa5v

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"Evolutionary biology is in part a historical science – and as such we have to live with some ambiguity: we can detect the footprints of past selection – but we may never know for sure which phenotypes selection acted on."https://t.co/VI1UpJj5va

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Hahah, oh no.https://t.co/gBFemkpFw7

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 8 years ago

Not everybody has the affluence to afford to reject the industrialization of the human race, and it's consequences.https://t.co/LBv0SWYSkz https://t.co/bU585scams

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

*SCURVY*https://t.co/21NrNoivdV

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

FUCKING SCURVY"populations that are often cut off from adequate diets. In addition to the low-income housing [...]don’t necessarily indicate a resurgence of scurvy, where and how this old disease is turning up says a lot about nutrition in America today"https://t.co/rGOe3RgXM4

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"Victims suffered general weakness and joint pain. Their bodies showed bruises from internal bleeding. Their breath turned foul, their gums bled and their teeth fell out."https://t.co/G9LWIs4Ag1

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

“Veritatem inquirenti, semel in vita de omnibus, quantum fieri potest, esse dubitandum” ― René Descarteshttps://t.co/OIdaTVcVcJ

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 7 years ago

How many assumptions about how the world works are you harboring?How strongly would you fight against something that goes against your indoctrination?Zebra stripes help hide them from predators? How about naw:https://t.co/sR6HpgKUnN

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Tear down.Build up.Tear up.https://t.co/Q6fTkMUMBY

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 7 years ago

Breaking the myths that bind us to suffering.https://t.co/4mmuCIMUq4

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"We're risk averse and scared of new things. That makes sense from a survival perspective, but it makes for lousy science."https://t.co/5QeoDXWxyg https://t.co/ImS7tyVscc

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"They are smart, educated, and lucky to live in this modern world. So why is it that they are both overweight, with risk factors for serious chronic diseases?"https://t.co/jDCksUXcud https://t.co/9bjYB69bsG

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Also includes the myth of "the outgroup", reinforced by a society subject to survivalship bias inherent to the struggle of gene and meme flow. Who put those myths there? Do you trust as holy truth? Toxic koans meant to destroy a tribe also exist as myth.https://t.co/AiYDk635YE

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

We are all infectious agents trying to spread our genetic ooze. Monsters taking shape in the night and telling scary stories about past iterations of ourselves. Memetic scaffolds built to deify or demonize the past. Escaping reality thru narrative tunnels.https://t.co/WE9r2rpTAx

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 7 years ago

@vgr "Memes eat genes" -> Literally.There's a memetic/genetic war going on in how humans respond to the flu.https://t.co/k3DO72f0GJ

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Myth as truth.Truth as myth.https://t.co/RZQReqwfp8

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 9 years ago

"A kind of programming is occurring here, a complex tree of if-then statements abstracted into shape." https://t.co/NpQiXYPMMM

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I stumbled my way into learning genetics and evolution because I had this funny idea on how tradition and myth operate to form entire societies.Turns out there is an entire body of knowledge about how society is a body of knowlege: https://t.co/fuImnR9vTChttps://t.co/drb4FVnHoF

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

Reading my old work & remember how I discovered memetics: via researching tradition & myths thru lens of skepticism.https://t.co/KdXabDXfcp https://t.co/SEEQvXVylU

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Of course everybody goes and takes functionalism seriously does the same damn thing they did with evolution; uses these theories to justify their might-makes-right rhetorical bullshit. Superior species, superior society? Chosen ones? Hypocrites.https://t.co/fuImnR9vTC https://t.co/t2hERFc93F

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

My way is the best way? It's all just self-serving hypocritical bullshit. Even my own. We're all just telling myths to convince each which of us is worthy of not being murdered. We've learned nothing.https://t.co/HzUkddHOSt

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

This was published in 1999. What have we learned since that could move us forward as a species, sans murder monkeys? https://t.co/P7jvco21wL

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Even anti-capitalist/anti-colonialst types don't realize they are just promulgating a story derived via Durkheim vis-a-vis a British colonialist narrative about evolution. All perpetuating different versions of the same myth and fighting over who's right.https://t.co/WqEUIU5qgF

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

I'm looking forward to reading Durkheim's "suicide" & his exploration of it's relationship to capitalism. Seems similar to Marx's theories.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/rhbqQtVI2k

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

What stories are the machines that follow in our wake going to tell about us?https://t.co/rI0t3jxcgX

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 9 years ago

"Agent Adam Smith", the AI powering the free market, will be a true 'Philosopher King'. Nations will bow before his might, or crumble.

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Even myths within our own popular culture on the subject get this wrong.Mammals? A Natural equilibrium? My ass!Only thing stopping meerkats from overpopulating? They ritually murder each other. Murder Squirrels. https://t.co/vx0Bu9EkzZNaturalistic fallacy for $1000 Alex: https://t.co/TBhNDzJ0oQ

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Worshiping myths used to justify who is worthy of being murdered. Starved. Destroyed. Shamed.https://t.co/1lxxnA1DJ9

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

But maybe that's ok.https://t.co/UCT97zRZNA https://t.co/kCxdoPZyHS

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Same shit, different day.https://t.co/iV8nVsKbC5

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 7 years ago

"Two-thousand-year-old scatological graffiti show that ancient Pompeians faced some of the same problems that we face today"https://t.co/2kuRtoTicDhttps://t.co/yIYqITsMjO

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Telling you where you ought to poop.https://t.co/snerARRd5L

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 9 years ago

Telling stories to influence moods. White lies and embellishments to make people feel the way they 'ought'? https://t.co/Pxktzl9wBh

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Worshiping food.https://t.co/cAov8G0gVz

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/yyFoBNHfHt

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

I'm sorry https://t.co/KPKSTZgYIS

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9/22/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Murder monkeys stories on who should live or die? -> really just an obscure way hint at selective breeding."The fact that some dogs were ritually buried while others were butchered suggests a complex set of beliefs regarding the place of dogs in society."https://t.co/WdylWWnvvc

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9/24/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Framing eugenics as a form of ritual sacrifice? A self serving motive perpetuated by a species known to throw deformed babies off cliffs.Of course we seek status, those who weren't high status were ostracized for minor slights and left to die.https://t.co/31pdqSUCFs

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9/24/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Ostracized for slights and left to die? What are you talking about Ape? We don't do that...https://t.co/6LEQoL5jtc

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 9 years ago

"Despite attention to other ailments of the homeless [...], there is a dearth of research on obesity prevalence." https://t.co/qAX7FoYRLo

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9/24/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"Oh look, this homeless person is actually a real human being worthy of respect." -> so rare that it makes headlines.https://t.co/7hKuiArT8Q

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 9 years ago

“Why is it national news when one homeless man learns to code? We should…” — @_ericelliott https://t.co/O7IqHsXRm9 https://t.co/wyGLWZof6T

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

That person doesn't have a job?They are lower class - part of the precariate.I don't need to care about them."Fuck you got mine."https://t.co/9Ib8IpHFeX

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 9 years ago

"It’s only an accident and a period of unemployment away."https://t.co/TE6tIPeXJ7 https://t.co/KTit4qy7PL

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Stories we tell ourselves about other people to justify their death."For people without severe mental illness, homelessness is often temporary. But those with mental illness..."https://t.co/237qpSZPmK

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 10 years ago

"One obstacle to getting homeless people into housing is [...] previous bad experiences they've had with shelters." http://t.co/TSJp0zAgzs

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9/24/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Stories we tell ourselves about other people."Carrie’s mother had been involuntarily institutionalized for being “feebleminded” and “promiscuous.” Carrie was assumed to have inherited these traits, and was sterilized after giving birth."https://t.co/g0fyWcNBmw

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9/24/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Giving voice to the implications. The story's hidden morals and how they shape our impulses. Murder monkey's so bent on selective breeding that we kill your bloodline's entire future by command of the state.https://t.co/IO1UOgBVRp

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 7 years ago

Add that fact in with the rates of schizophrenic people in poverty conditions is extremely high and it brings up some pretty awful implications about how our society is structured.

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9/24/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 7 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I don't like having these ideas in my head. https://t.co/Ua59Jat6do

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 7 years ago

Tired: the slave making ant.Wired: Humans - the slave making ape.😭 <- my mind makes me sad. I don't like having these ideas in my head.

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9/27/2018
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"... weight gain occurs in up to 40 percent of patients taking medications called second-generation or atypical antipsychotic medications, which have been found effective in controlling major symptoms of schizophrenia." https://t.co/UOiQoUqZrn

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2/27/2019
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 6 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"And that to us is striking because it counters the simple narrative that everything's getting better. There are some things that are getting worse. And of course again the question might be: why? What is specific about body-weight attitude?"https://t.co/izJ5WTzh1R

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2/27/2019
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Darkness haunts my thoughts like the Titan Cronus eating his own children.https://t.co/JGdepMf3Tx

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

Friendly reminder that most child abductions are done by people who know the child, often parental. Your husband/wife will likely still have the app on the phone.https://t.co/bHy10kYs7mBoth my parents were paranoid the other was going to steal me away. It was super obnoxious.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on...Like a snake eating it's own tail to heal it self.Or a hamster devouring it's sons & daughters to try to avoid starvation long enough to survive until better times.https://t.co/qKYjWsMxo7

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago

Remember when I figured out that hamsters were getting pellagra and it was driving them to cannibalize their young despite sufficient food supply? Serotonin production is really important.https://t.co/AMDdLW65Aq

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1/25/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

There is a pun here. Deep mythos.Saturnalia was the sun, until his son displaced him.Father time (Cronus) dying, if only to be reborn again as a babe.https://t.co/IC1LYDEtzh

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 7 years ago

In the end we are all just parasitisms of the sun.Stealing entropy from the noise floor of creation.https://t.co/jjRspbuIUq

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I want to break free of this cycle.https://t.co/51R4ggct2G

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1/25/2021