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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago

In most places, in 2025, it is normal and expected for a woman to depart from traditional feminine norms. She can criticize and defect from them without great social cost to herself. It is not possible for a man to defect from masculine norms without a life-altering cost. He can make himself apparently harmless and lose any hope of traditional status, or he can actively rebel - losing access to polite society at best, and finding himself in prison at worst. This is because masculinity is how we enforce male prosociality. It's the set of taboos and norms that shapes both the violence and generativity of the male ego, in all domains that the law cannot. If men were unrestrained, civilization at its current level of complexity would be totally impossible. Therefore, men cannot both meaningfully defect from masculine norms and fully participate in civilization. This is also why male privilege is inescapable and universal across cultures. Both men and women depend on male responsibility to keep them safe, and there's no conceivable world in which women willingly accept a similar burden of duty. The reason feminism never seems to fully succeed in any of its incarnations is that it can't, ideologically, accept its existential dependence on male forbearance. If they did, they would have to admit their interdependence with men and make concessions, which would obliterate the feasibility of the worldview. The fact of civilization, as it exists, requires more responsibility of men, and therefore we collectively allocate more status to men based on such. Rights and responsibilities are the same thing. It doesn't matter how you feel about it. NB: This also means there is absolutely nothing about privilege to be ashamed of. People - especially liberal people - will tell you that you're free to act however you want, and don't have to be limited by a restrictive masculinity. But the moment you violate one of the taboos, you become persona non grata. Not even transitioning to another gender frees you from the duties assigned to you. Just ask a trans woman. Masculinity as a set of unspoken assumptions about male stability, forbearance and nobility is baked into the structure of human civilization itself - possibly even into our biology - and there's no world we recognize that doesn't include it. So don't listen to anyone, especially women, when they tell you that masculinity doesn't matter, or that it somehow doesn't pervade every single domain of your life. If someone is saying that, it just means they have repressed the truth of the matter down into their taboo structure, and will inevitably experience your defection as a violation of social reality itself. Conforming to masculine expectation is the inevitable burden of being born male, and the sacrificial price all men pay to keep the lights on and the gears turning for human civilization. It is also a fun game when you get good at it, the stakes are not too high. It can be a lot of fun, it can earn you status and money, and it can get you laid a lot, if you treat it like a timeless art or craft that you can master. I think you should master it! Better to take possession of it then to let others take possession of you through it. But don't get confused. There is no escape.

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Rob Henderson@robkhenderson11 days ago

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tao te chic@taotechic10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ women can be, men must become etc etc - camille paglia

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @taotechic

@taotechic Thems the breaks

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lune (10/100 daily tai chi)@lunesentia10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ Hmm… a lot to parse here

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Matthew@mattvm110 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ I can get on board with this to some extent, but clearly masculinity has changed. The difference between the 1945, 1968, 1985, and 2015 of male expression is clearly different.

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @mattvm1

@mattvm1 I think the part that's visible has changed a lot but not the part that's submerged in taboo structure.

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Jeremy@GrnMntnBldr10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ How am I 40… no 41 years old, and am only now being exposed to this level of clarity on the subject. And why haven’t I trained more extensively

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @GrnMntnBldr

@GrnMntnBldr 🫡

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Elizaveta / エリザヴェータ@elizavetaka10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ Yeah I hate to say this bc im mostly very liberal - well mostly haha - but in my experience, while women are generally very open to things outside the norms, when it comes to choosing THEIR own partner they default to traditional stuff, yes

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @elizavetaka

@elizavetaka I think it's wise.

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Caleb Smith@CDS_Midwest10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ idk man.... https://t.co/EFuaB8kHIf

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @CDS_Midwest

@CDS_Midwest It's a performance. They haven't violated any of the true norms, and they didn't gain societal acceptance until they accepted the burdens of marriage and military service

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Robinson Crusoe@crusoeselkirk10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ It's worth mentioning that in the list of items by Will Storr that if a man isn't those things he will be dominated by other men

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @crusoeselkirk

@crusoeselkirk Yes, we assign status via masculine norms

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eel🌿@EEllis8631710 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ it's hard bc the ones who would be freed by embracing are often the ones who would read those words and just see chainschainschainschainschains🌿

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Matthew Pirkowski@MattPirkowski10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ Into our biology, obviously—not “possibly”.

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @MattPirkowski

@MattPirkowski Well, biology is a science and science is a notoriously bad tool for studying people so I'm being conservative in my language here

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Norman (4/100 games) (Gauntlet Contestant)@NormanQian10 days ago
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@VividVoid_ I mean would you really rather be an ugly fat slut? I don't think the grass is that much greener.

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @NormanQian

@NormanQian This isn't a complaint

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tater tot@parakeetnebula10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ Yeah this is what I was trying to say in this thread. Society will always hate weak men because weak men are dangerous leaders

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tater tot@parakeetnebulaabout 1 year ago

People think that men dislike women in power because men supposedly hate women who “act like men.” But that’s not true. Men don’t hate women who act like men—they hate women who act like weak men, because society, in general, hates weak men.

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @parakeetnebula

@parakeetnebula One of your best threads IMO

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tater tot@parakeetnebula10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ Interesting, thank you ;)

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tater tot@parakeetnebula10 days ago
Replying to @parakeetnebula

@VividVoid_ :) not ;)

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Matjaž Leonardis@MatjazLeonardis10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ The more I read what you people say about gender norms the more I understand why some people would want to go into full rebellion mode about this.

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @MatjazLeonardis

@MatjazLeonardis Bro I was in full rebellion mode about it for years and years and I experienced the consequences firsthand.

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tao te chic@taotechic10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ @MatjazLeonardis not sure if you’ve written about this already but would love more insight and stories from that era

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @taotechic

@taotechic @MatjazLeonardis It hasn't felt like the right time to write about it yet, but I was a woke progressive dude for a long time, until I saw enough of the fruits that it bore Maybe this winter

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

I've got more about masculinity, mental health and character at my YouTube channel: I would greatly appreciate if you would subscribe there. https://t.co/EHhFkD0rgQ

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Geoffrey Miller@primalpoly10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ Well said.

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shannon-again@silent_sabbath10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ "In most places, in 2025, it is normal and expected for a woman to depart from traditional feminine norms. She can criticize and defect from them without great social cost to herself." I disagree with this whole heartedly.

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_10 days ago
Replying to @silent_sabbath

@silent_sabbath Tell me more

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shannon-again@silent_sabbath10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ sure. I'll think about it and see what I have the energy to convey and DM you if I get there.

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Scarlet Falcon (e/🧸) 🇺🇸@birdmademejoin10 days ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

Something I find a bit interesting is how many MtFs desire to take on a "receptive" role in relationship dynamics (at least in my circles, often due to being tired of always having to be the one to schedule things), but often mistake this for passiveness and end up upset that they're not getting attention when they idly stand in the room without engaging with the flow.

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