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i didnāt think iād become one of those ādeath is what gives meaning to lifeā people but itās becoming clearer that human art derives part of its meaning from the way the artist sacrificed part of their finite life to make it. they could have done anything but not everything and they chose to devote months or years to this one thing in particular. thatās part of the message being communicated, is that sacrifice of potentiality, that choice to shower devotion on one thing and not another thing. i think part of what deeply offends people about AI art is the way it obviously gets used by people who effectively want to pretend to have made this sacrifice without having actually made it
@QiaochuYuan i love your view about artists sacrificing a part of their finite life to make it. this was hesse in narcissus and goldmund. https://t.co/kfx7YHEYGa
@QiaochuYuan The time commitment being āpart of the messageā of the work is such a great way to put it. I also have had the ādeath is what gives meaning to lifeā thought (also uncharacteristically) as a result of thinking about why real human art matters in a post-AI world
@QiaochuYuan I think thereās a nobility angle to it too. Theyāre spending all their time and effort to try and share with us what they see at the pure, core of the Idea they see or feel. If theyāre successful, then weāre lucky and can also tap into what they see and feel
@QiaochuYuan On the contrary, art condenses years of <thinking> tags in someone's head. It's not the years themselves but the solutions found and yet untold that make art (and any conversation) interesting. AI doesn't do years of thinking yet, so its art is more or less one-step.
I went into the arts not for money but literally for my soul, I had so many people telling me it was a horrible idea and I would never make any money from it but that didnāt matter to me! Iāve never chosen a safe path but I donāt think AI ruins art or meaning for me any more than other forms of human made slop art.
@QiaochuYuan Hard disagree. Only "aficionados" feel this way. Everyone else just thinks "looks good" "sounds good" "reads good". A lot of popular media is written formulaically, and has been for some time. Few care.
AI art carries a whiff of manipulation. Like the machine knew what grabs you and turned up the dials on that particular thing. Real art tells you that a human chose to filter life through their experience and present a pov that lets us see like them. It is that connection between artist and audience, and their joining of consciousness for a brief moment, that makes real art valuable.
@QiaochuYuan Beta Fe+Ni in socionics terms: https://t.co/Wmu684liDY
@QiaochuYuan it's going to be people who are making things that are too nuts to be mistaken for AI that will come out on top of that but for how long i wonder https://t.co/bV5YD0KvHo
I so desperately want to see this art style exist, but have felt kind of dumb for sacrificing so much for it, with so little monetary payoff. Maybe that will change in the (near?) future, butā¦ I guess a big part of the appeal of AI to me, is the idea that I'd be able to do this, and all the other things I want to do (programming projects I also REALLY want to see exist, and more)ā¦ Without having to sacrifice so much, for what is currently, so little. Unfortunately, AI can't do that for this right now. I want a 3D model, not a one-time 2D image with no reusability. I want to be able to reuse it infinitely in Blender and VR. I don't care about being called an "artist" or whatever all that much, but Iā¦ really cannot live without seeing this come into existance. It MUST, by any means necessary. AI would be that means if it could ā but right now, it just can't.
@QiaochuYuan I agree with this. But I also think it's really important that real art has intentionality while AI slop hasn't. We treat art as communication between human beings. What did the artist mean by this? What kind of person must the artist be to even think of making this? Etc.
@QiaochuYuan I disagree. This thinking leads to the "arts main goal is to take a superhuman level of skill to make" that gives us photorealistic charcoal drawings of people in the rain. We give our finite time to everything. Throwing away time is sacred, but not for any one particular thing.
@QiaochuYuan It's also where all the ignorance is stemming from... AI-art *is* art IF it has been done with the same sacrifice... just like we all have the ability to make super crisp photos and not every snapshot is 'art' yet that doesnt take away from great Photography.
@QiaochuYuan No matter the sacrifice involved in making artwork, the viewer still sacrifices their time in contemplating it. AI Art seems meaningless because most art we consume was already meaningless anyway. If everyone read 500-page books with heavy themes there'd be some banger AI Tomes.
@QiaochuYuan the investment of time in something gives you a reason to think that it was important enough to someone for you to pay attention to it, and to the extent that you trust that person's mind you are willing to extend them that courtesy. the relationship to the artist is critical
@QiaochuYuan hmmm I think of it similarly but a little differently! less "they sacrificed their life to make it" and more "they became it" via the embodied interaction of holding the vision in their awareness while flowing it through their body into material form