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Person I know has been described as 'skittish' since forever. She did Trauma Release Exercises (basically you tire your inner tights with exercises like the one below and it starts to shake and the whole body) and now is just... not?? anymore?? Like is out of flight-or-fight!?!? This makes me think that this whole area (not even sure what to call it... "healing"!?) is just super high-dimensional and discontinuous, and exploratory search i.e. throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks is the way to go. Like how can you have a problem for SO LONG people think it's your personality but then you do a 10 min exercise and it's permanently gone lmao
@nosilverv like yes, it can all feel a bit haphazard but also a lot of these things often have deeper roots. i’m often skeptical of the claim that things are “permanently” gone. i’ve had things gone for 2+years thinking the shift was permanent only to find that it’s just subtler than before
In Sri Aurobindo’s system he talks about how issues can get purged from one layer of the system and then sink lower into the subconscious and eventually the body/physical itself. Not a reason not to heal the upper layers of course, just need to be conscious that we may need to deal with it again at a lower level before completely purging.
honestly i don’t know. i haven’t yet lived long enough to know for sure. i started doing inner work roughly 10 or so years ago, and more seriously for the last ~6. i’ve had things that were gone for 2 whole years before experiencing a more subtle version of it. i agree with the statement that healing happens in spirals, you heal something and make a big dent in it, then a few years go by and you discover a deeper, subtler layer and then you make more dent in it. part of the issue is that things don’t happen in isolation, say you get bullied at school, that experience is filtered through your attachment wounds (if you have them) i.e. if you already formed a belief about yourself as a baby based on how your caretaker treated you, the bullying might strengthen that belief. so then you might do a bunch of work that “heals” the bullying and you feel like it’s gone but then later when you uncover the baby material, you might find new details about the bullying period that is still stored in your nervous system that you weren’t aware of, and so on. that’s been my experience so far. i would personally want to give myself at least 5 years before considering something to be “permanently gone”. but also, i don’t know what the point of that would be.
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@nosilverv Can confirm, I'm working through the same things in my legs and thighs. I also have hip stuff a d lower back things, but the correlation between strength, tension release, shaking, and recovery... is pretty direct.
@nosilverv I tried this + it felt powerful and dangerous. So, I stopped - which I think was absolutely the right call. imo no change / very slow holistic change is usually >>>>>>>> than forcing in some local change. which is like my main criticism of Self Development Inc.
i dont know what you are talking about is the same. but i read about how animals know how to get rid of their trauma, like for example when some predator attacks, they become stunned and dead body like, and afterwards, they go about their normal ways. and these exercises are trying to recreate it. i might be misremembering the details. i want to find that post again.
@nosilverv Ok but the little bit of theory about tremors is pretty compelling. Like antelopes get chased by a lion, if they escape they tremor a bit then go back to eating grass like nothing. But humans get scared, then try to save face and can spend decades supressing the simple regulation
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@nosilverv just tried this out and i got the tremors to work and then i got a boner. kinda makes me wonder if some people like bdsm because hitting the body relaxes some muscle which then allows them to feel safe enough to be turned on
In middleschool I got “attacks” where my throat would close up and I’d be unable to breathe. My parents bought epipens and I went to a specialist. Apparently it was psychological vocal cord dysfunction, he took me aside and told me to think of the cutest girl in my class when I felt it coming on. I was immediately cured. I would’ve never thought it was anxiety, I didn’t feel anxious really, but the body keeps the count even when my mind doesn’t. Maybe not as anomalous sounding but this reminded me of that.
@ChrisChipMonk @nosilverv love this. any reason for leaving out the physiological dimension? not a health issue as such, eg anxiety can be a symptom of lots of things that can be going on in your body w/o you realizing or being otherwise ill
the list of specific problems is vast, i think i’d simplify to something like “never learned body signals.” the body needs rest, nutrition, hydration, sunlight, physical activity, comfortable environs, and social interaction, and will tell you if you’re not getting enough of any of them, but the same way people can be out of touch with their emotional signals, they can be out of touch with physiological ones. each domain can contribute to anxiety directly in a way that is easy to misattribute if you’re not familiar with how your body communicates. would include strength and flexibility(possibly under physical activity?), as weakness and stiffness can both cause generalized anxiety
oh also pain. even if it’s tolerable, even if you’re used to it and not taking conscious notice of it. same with systemic inflammation. the short version of why is that your brain remains aware of all signals even if you do not, and considers illness/injury signals concerning proportionate with how strong they are. so your mild lower back pain would not cause severe anxiety on its own, but nevertheless add to the pool of negative signals that raise the volume on your state of alarm
it’s so important and so often neglected in these discussions(outside of explicit “somatic” frameworks). the rest is important too, but i really want people to know more about this, bc 1) you can’t get rid of a sunlight deficiency through emotional intervention and 2) the bang:buck ratio is insane
@sonikudzu @ChrisChipMonk @nosilverv here's another: the tendency for all "high-activation" states to feel bad. dealt with this for years, in combination with some food/drug sensitivities that made it miserable at times. really multidimensional and kinda interesting tbh
@JoeDotAverage @nosilverv If you don't genuinely feel like growing is a good thing, you won't genuinely try https://t.co/wDKx4ADyP2
@Cantide1 @nosilverv like this, or? https://t.co/BCleme30Sn
@ChrisChipMonk @nosilverv Close, I was thinking about regular one like Maslow's. It seems like the needs/skills you are tracking could fit into the basic to advanced shape the pyramid affords. I'm not sure how they would be organized, but I think they stack.
@ChrisChipMonk @Cantide1 @nosilverv I prefer the lines showing motion, but instead of disappearing, could show dissipation/loops into unhealthy behaviors, e.g. "demonic" hedonic treadmill trauma responses like https://t.co/VqnBQTzwKM
Years ago I went out with a very-wealthy Jewish girl from Boston who was big in the art scene in NYC. Met her at some bar in Brooklyn where bike couriers hang out; proceeded to spend a month straight with her. She did coke 24/7, took me to VIP rooms at tons of clubs, and seemed to have both infinite money and a near-zero grasp on time or reality. She swore she'd marry me, and she literally prayed we'd get pregnant. We went to "Members Only" in Brooklyn constantly, where I was exposed to some of the weirdest, gayest, richest, most drug-addled people I'd ever seen. I was a filthy hobo at the time, wearing my coal-dust-covered Carhartt overalls (which an elderly gay man from Italy offered me $1000 for; I passed). Finally, she gave me a gigantic golden ring from India with a massive emerald in it. The ring was in the shape of a snake, and I wore it. She said: "Go to Cottage Grove, Oregon and meet me there -- I have a house there and we'll get married there." So I did it: I hitchhiked from NYC to Oregon over the course of a month or so. When I got to Cottage Grove, I called her and she had no idea who I was, but asked if I was the one who had her ring. I said yes. She asked me to come to Brooklyn, and six months later, I hitchhiked back there and met up with her. When I went to her place, she looked distressed and tired. She asked me my name and whether we ever had sex before. Of course I said we did for more than a month straight, and that she said she wanted to get pregnant and marry me. She had no memory of that whatsoever. So she told me the story: Several months before we'd met, she'd been out at a club and met a guy. They were in the Uber headed to his apartment when he said "wait, why don't we go to my other house in the Caribbean?" She said yes, and they went to JFK to fly to Barbados. There, he took her phone away, imprisoned her there, and raped her daily for several months before her family hired a PI to rescue her. Once back in the USA, she claimed to have been in a complete fugue state for months on end, in a drug-fueled haze. She had no memory of anything she did during that period, including spending an insane month with me doing the all-night every-night VIP club thing. I gave her her ring back and left, utterly darkened and weirded out to the core. I really was never the same after this.
@NinaLiRE @Cantide1 @nosilverv Ooooh I like where this is going. Would you be willing to make a mockup? https://t.co/PQ62T1MxPY
@nosilverv Go https://t.co/umYdxTiM95.
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Everyone is like this, no technique works for everyone. Instead, you must find methods that address YOUR unique bottlenecks! (This is also one of the best reasons to hire an excellent coach: They tell you what to try for your case so you don't have to randomly sample woo shit.)
Cough cough this is called tetne (spelling in breathe work) and all the release zones from breath work mapping map over to all the release zones from osteopath and acupuncture release zones for where energy stored in the body and the mappings from breathwork show you how it physiologically releases itself when it just is allowed to move because your body feels safe I'm actually a trained breath meditation teacher facilitator which word soup? It means i'm qualified enough that if I get my books out and resudie, that I can train other teachers to the level that they can train other teachers I'm studied in judith kravitz style of breath work, one of the three major schools alongside holotropic, breath, work and rebirthing, from other schools of thought, aka stanislav, groff, and leonard or iirc names correctly for everything out side my school
@nosilverv Corresponds to the first two chakras, which correspond to survival instinct and sexual instinct. Like, I don't believe in the metaphysics of chakras, but it comes from the same tradition as yoga, so I tend to think there is something to their claims about the body
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@nosilverv My doctor puts lidocaine into your pubic bone area to create this same effect He’s like: just a warning—this can make you cry if you have had any sexual trauma Absolutely insane how trauma can be stored for decades and released in a second
@nosilverv Partly “placebo” also placebo is misunderstood massively. Also stretching can be euphoric, simply from the good feelings of your body moving. I can see how it can convince you that you’re healing something real. Not sure yet if it’s accurate but does feel good.
@nosilverv what do u mean “how can this phenomenon occur”. it’s the like one of the base frameworks, all truth is built upon. this concept of ‘ur too retarfed don’t even try to answer the question’ is even upstream of paradoxical truth
@nosilverv Yeah I believe this, it happened to me The tension came back like 20-30% but never fully
If the essence of this modality appeals to you, I recommend looking at Polyvagal Theory and in particular its practical expression in "Accessing the Healing Power of the Vagus Nerve". Contraction-release cycles can happen very quickly (>20 Hz), and it's helpful to connect them to the ~4-8 Hz tremors TREs (and similar) induce, as well as the much slower (~6-12 cycles/min, or ~0.1-.2 Hz) flux-like rhythms of craniosacral impulse or myofascial unwinding. These cycles modulate, gate and envelope each other, and their overlaps are where much of the implicit 'magic of the heart-mind' happens - accordingly, experiencing their interactions consciously can result in phenomenal unbundling, including of instinctual components of the felt sense 'I' and its primary impulses - flight, fight, freeze, or fawn :-) https://t.co/1TYsIa8MCm
EMDR therapy (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) does this for the mind, tiring out the traumatic memory by adding distracting eye movements or body movements. The healing field is about 20% effective models and 80% talk/validation, which as we know, is only a starting point to healing and not the full process.
https://t.co/6ItEJgh4mW This is the vid btw. Just put that image bc looks nicer
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@nosilverv been consistently achieving tremors / shaking using this abductor machine then going on a mat - doing 3x 30 reps at 40kg - 45kg (~90lbs +) https://t.co/VVUfcpyrTc
Based on replies to the original post, here are unique techniques/methods suggested for trauma release/healing: - Trauma Release Exercises (TRE) - EMDR Therapy - Somatic Experiencing - Trauma-Sensitive Yoga - Breathwork (e.g., Judith Kravitz style) - Kundalini Tantra - Bioenergetics (Alexander Lowen) - Mirror Box Therapy - The Mindbody Prescription (John Sarno) - Rebirthing/Bioflow - Polyvagal Theory (Vagus Nerve exercises) - Craniosacral Impulse/Myofascial Unwinding - Osho Shaking Meditation - Lizard Pose (Yoga) - Endurance Walking - Squat Rack to Failure - Abductor Machine Tremors - Prolonged Exposure Therapy - Vajra Posture - Hip-Opening Poses (e.g., Supta Baddha Konasana)
@nosilverv I would be honored to coauthor/co-analyze it with you!! Maybe we can do a little exchange (I was thinking I want your review or your take on the "mystic rationalist" thing because it has a lot of layers. It has a very different reaction amongst 3 distinct groups)
@nosilverv I had a post somewhere that discusses exactly what you wrote in the last sentence, but I can’t find it. It’s a very poetic tragedy that we are only a few steps away from local optima for ourselves, but we might not find these our entire lives.