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I think it takes about 3 MDMA trips to really know what the substance does and the effects it has on different levels of the psyche. For LSD? Probably 50 trips or more. There are hidden corners of that state-space that truly require careful observation and digestion. And once you start meditating the experience shifts significantly (even 500 trips before meditation won't show you what LSD + meditation can do). For 5-MeO-DMT? No less than 500 trips. The state space is truly vast and far, far, far more interesting and "superintelligent" than people who say "you just become God" or "it's pure emptiness" would have you believe. There is a lot of detail and intelligence to notice. And DMT? No less than 1,000 trips. Probably 2,000. Seriously. It's the most complex and elaborate state-space of all. I get mildly irritated when someone has taken DMT 10 times and claims to know what it does. In truth they don't, not even a little. There are really, really, really interesting and unusual things that happen only once every few hundred trips. And then there are countless experiences that get unlocked only after very substantial phenomenological work and meditation that I think almost nobody has experienced. (Even a lifelong ayahuasquero will only access a region of the state-space because part of what unlocks other regions involves having mathematical, physics, computational, and philosophical frameworks almost nobody works with).
@algekalipso Do you have any sense of the "safe" amount for most people or different types of people before their epistemics or sober thinking start to be at risk? These seem oom plausible to me but not really amounts I would recommend to people
Probably no safe amount. A single DMT experience is an epistemological hand grenade. I think having the self image of a scientist or a philosopher is protective. Having the self image of a healer or a shaman is, on the other hand, not good for psychedelic epistemology. You've gotta have the mindset of statistical cross validation and empirical demonstration, and think in terms of physics and math, to not be bamboozled by the many thought forms and their own views of what's going on.