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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago

What if social anxiety has nothing to do with being liked — what if it’s the exact opposite? New post, link below https://t.co/W5HN8oimf8

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

From https://t.co/TFmYAXBqr5 -

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5/20/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
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From https://t.co/BGkcEoBADj -

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5/20/2025
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Henry@noshpesoj• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk great read! reminds me of https://t.co/alsYPOAaHk

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5/21/2025
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QxD5@QxD5e• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk There’s this book called The Courage to Be Disliked. Has lots of weaknesses but some of the central ideas in the first two thirds of the book are gold.

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @QxD5e

@QxD5e yeah i've read it 7x https://t.co/uixNOvW4j3

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5/21/2025
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QxD5@QxD5e• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Oh interesting! Many people hate this book, especially those who like to marinate in and be proud of their mental health issues. I say: don’t just believe stuff, just allow the book to question your own beliefs. It made me think a lot, despite some of the outdated nonsense.

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5/21/2025
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QxD5@QxD5e• 5 months ago
Replying to @QxD5e

@ChrisChipMonk Like, trauma isn’t a thing? Ok that’s probably not right, but let me at least give it the benefit of the doubt and consider whether I’ve fallen into the trap of having got too used and attached to my own misery. (Just as one example of a good way to deal with this book.)

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @QxD5e

@QxD5e yes!! go you!! i think this is right. would you like to proofread my Book Rewrite haha

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5/21/2025
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QxD5@QxD5e• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Would love to!

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5/22/2025
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walp@atlonian11• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk @QxD5e Your existing post is already much more valuable than the book IMO. Been trying to explain this a friend for a few months and your post made it click!

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @atlonian11

@atlonian11 @QxD5e oh great!

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5/21/2025
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Daniel@drcola23• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk You have triggered my social anxiety worse than anyone I have ever met. There is probably something there.

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5/21/2025
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A B@AB13819913• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Hmm this is always what I thought, surprised to hear the “consensus” is opposite mine

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5/21/2025
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Unix@Unixsystem13• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk You could've just asked any socially anxious person and they'd tell you this has always been the case.

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5/21/2025
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Sridhar Ratnakumar@sridca• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

If the person is “succeeding at avoiding being disliked,” what is the anxiety (fear) *about*?

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @sridca

@sridca restate your question?

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5/21/2025
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Sridhar Ratnakumar@sridca• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

What is the fear *of* (as in, 'fear of spiders') if it not be a fear of disliked (inasmuch as, per your report, the feeler is successful in avoiding being disliked, and thus there's nothing there to be afraid of in the first place). (It is a rhetorical question as no one is actually 'successful' in avoiding being disliked)

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @sridca

@sridca being not liked ≠ being disliked fear is of being disliked. being not liked is fine or maybe i’m not understanding you? have you read the post btw?

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5/21/2025
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Sridhar Ratnakumar@sridca• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk > maybe i’m not understanding you Yes, my query is to do with the root of anxiety. (There's more to it than being disliked)

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5/22/2025
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Alex Krusz@AlexKrusz• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk yeah this is generally true

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5/21/2025
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noth@noaonknows• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk this could be taken as a mean opinion. don't get me wrong, i feel the earnestness. it's just, if you tell someone their entire social calculus is based on avoiding dislike, what might that signal to their system about the self that is doing the avoiding?

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @noaonknows

@noaonknows i don't understand what you're saying- could you reexplain? (also have you read the post?)

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5/21/2025
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M@CheerfulLynx• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Wait, anxious people believe it’s about trying to be liked?? Next you’re gonna tell me the people-pleasers think the same?

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5/21/2025
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Worm-based diet@wormbaseddiet• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk I dislike anxious people.

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5/21/2025
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SubGanG@j_subgang• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk yes. that's how evolutionary adaptive systems work :D (but I know this is not for me so I think your ICP is actually surprised)

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5/21/2025
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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• 5 months ago
Replying to @j_subgang

@j_subgang could you explain?

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5/21/2025
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Pat LaVarre at Twítter@pelavarre• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Remove the satisfaction, and their love of violence dies I didn't guess this, I was taught ~~ AMTuring, as sketched by The Imitation Game, 2014

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5/21/2025
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Lord Byron's Iron@IronLordByron• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Yes. A few months ago I realized that the feeling of social anxiety is specifically the feeling of trying to make people feel any specific way about me Which makes sense when you consider that "make others feel x way" is literally impossible to solve reliably.

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5/21/2025
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Lord Byron's Iron@IronLordByron• 5 months ago
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@ChrisChipMonk In the end social anxiety I think is the feeling of your brain pegging to 100% CPU by constantly trying to perform an unsolvable social calculation

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5/21/2025
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Tristan Cunha@cunha_tristan• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

I think it's a specific kind of shame, that falls in to a few common internet critiques/insults. Like being "problematic" or "cringe" or a "stalker", etc. Basically, everyone is supposed to be naturally likable and just automatically form strong relationships. And if you ever put any effort or try to be outgoing and get people to hang out/like you/date you, then there's something wrong with you. The act of trying is evidence that you're not naturally likable and therefore you should be subject to some kind of ridicule.

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5/21/2025
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George Dorn@gdoLDD• 5 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk @threadreaderapp unroll

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5/22/2025