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Chris Lakin@chrislakin• 7 months ago

a hypothesis: • outgrowing anxiety = UNLEARNING [the anxiety strategies] = FAST • outgrowing procrastination = LEARNING [to process emotions] = SLOW removing code is faster than adding code

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Chris Lakin@chrislakin• 9 months ago

why does it take so much longer to help someone outgrow procrastination than anxiety?

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Lucca@lolalucxy• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Fixing your relationship with anxiety is self-rewarding with pretty much no cost. You just... stop feeling bad. Procrastination creates self reinforcing loops. It feels better to stay in bed than to do laundry, and procrastination-"debt" blocks the reward until it's resolved.

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Ilariia Belova@Ilariia_belova• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk It depends on the code :) In a complicated spaghetti - removing code is slower than adding - because it’s like surgery. In a well‑organized - removing code is faster

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Chris Lakin@chrislakin• 7 months ago
Replying to @Ilariia_belova

@Ilariia_belova oh fair. usually people have a perfectly well functioning part somewhere tho in my experience, just need to find it and route the traffic through it

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Ilariia Belova@Ilariia_belova• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Maybe bug framing works 🤔 if you can point to a bug (source of anxiety), fixing it’s straightforward. But if the system just sometimes slow and there are no logs - making it behave well will take a long

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PJ Eby@pjeby• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Procrastination = avoiding awareness of problems, (including the problem you're trying to solve by doing the thing you're procrastinating on!) but especially problems reflecting on one's self-esteem. This isn't ONE piece of code, since ANY insecurity can trigger it.

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PJ Eby@pjeby• 7 months ago
Replying to @pjeby

@ChrisChipMonk In addition, the general pattern of suppressing awareness (or suppressing one's motivation to act on observed problems) can be another level of code. (Learned helplessness, reflexive inhibitions, etc.) I think there's some possibility for increased leverage on this level, though.

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Hannah@amhannahm• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk I think my procrastination turns into anxiety… is that a positive direction?

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Joshua Dominic | Building Trains 🚆@JoshuaKDominic• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk I’d posit an alternative, Different feedback loops. Anxiety has a much shorter feeback loop vs. procrastination. After all, the easiest things to procrastinate are the ones where there is no immediate consequence.

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Chris Lakin@chrislakin• 7 months ago
Replying to @JoshuaKDominic

@JoshuaKDominic wait, example what you mean by “anxiety has a much shorter feedback loop vs. procrastination”? not sure what you mean yet

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Joshua Dominic | Building Trains 🚆@JoshuaKDominic• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

The time between the behavior (anxiety) and consequences (I feel like shit, this is unpleasant or whatever) is very immediate When you procrastinate (behavior) the consequences don’t happen till much later. E.g. I don’t want to study for my test next week ahead of time doesn’t really have any consequences until the night before the test.

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Chris Lakin@chrislakin• 7 months ago
Replying to @JoshuaKDominic

@JoshuaKDominic oh hm this is interesting. def not the full picture, but this is an interesting frame i should've considered and hadn't

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Joshua Dominic | Building Trains 🚆@JoshuaKDominic• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

I also think it is structurally & energetically easier change anxiety. Unlearning is super tough - but substituting is much easier. Anxiety is often driven by a belief or chemically, Those are easily modulated. Procrastination is not as well mapped (at least, to me) - hence why I just looked for the feeback loop.

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Jojo@jojomonsta7777• 7 months ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

@ChrisChipMonk Yes that's what I was tweeting at you last time;)

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