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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago

The way you influence a large language model or a bunch of humans is not by writing persuasive prose, but by coining new words or phrases which are useful and also make it easier to think certain thoughts over others.

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Alexis Rivas@alexisxrivas• 10 months ago
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@eshear Yes. Good example is the concept of "gentrification". Gentrification is a Marxist term focused on class resentment over progress with tangible measurable outcomes. It was coined by Ruth Glass a Marxist sociologist in the 1960s.

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near@nearcyan• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear right, this is called Near's Maxim it turns out

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @nearcyan

@nearcyan ISWYDT

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Lulu Cheng Meservey@lulumeservey• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear @johncoogan’s Law!

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Levi Hart@Levi7hart• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear Tim ferris talked about this a lot in his initial book about popularising framing language and coining new terms and having the most detailed posts on it ie lifestyle design or slow-carb diet but I most often think of EY's cached thought essay around this https://t.co/Hxr6aVGdsC

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @Levi7hart

@Levi7hart Cache engineering and management turns out to be just as crucial for effective thought in humans as in computer architectures.

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Daniel Vidaud@DannyVidaud• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear There are much stronger mediums than language. https://t.co/jIh1iXUCz7

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @DannyVidaud

@DannyVidaud Incorrect. Language is the most powerful medium of all, because the messages it carries aren't the ones you hear.

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Peter Wilczynski@petewilz• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear ā€œThe source of life which you create lies in the power of the language which you have.ā€ - Christopher Alexander

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Adam Wintle@AdamWintle• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear Newspeak?!

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @AdamWintle

@AdamWintle Newspeak is kind of the opposite, it's how you use existing power to enforce your will on how ppl think by limiting them. The key part here is that the new word has to actually give them MORE power, or it won't persist in usage.

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yatharth ą¼ŗą¼’ą¼»@AskYatharth• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear @visakanv's catchphrases

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Davison šŸ§ šŸ‘ˆ@DavisonVideo• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear Like doublethink, ungood, doubleplusungood, unperson and prole?

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @DavisonVideo

@DavisonVideo No, like ā€œparasocialā€ or ā€œlinkbaitā€ā€¦they have to be useful concepts that expand the thoughts you can think https://t.co/mCLVWB5rd3

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago

@AdamWintle Newspeak is kind of the opposite, it's how you use existing power to enforce your will on how ppl think by limiting them. The key part here is that the new word has to actually give them MORE power, or it won't persist in usage.

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nathan lile@NathanThinks• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear whoever controls the language model training set controls reality

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @NathanThinks

@NathanThinks Nope, that’s actually not how this works at all. Whoever influenced the vocabulary of the culture the model is trained from influences the future.

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Zoe@UltraRareAF• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear you just invented "memes"

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @UltraRareAF

@UltraRareAF I identified a subclass of memes

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Rob Cobb@robcobbable• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear strong sapir-whorf but llms

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @robcobbable

@robcobbable Computational-learning-via-error-minimization version of Sapir-Whorf

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š”Šš”“š”¢š”Æš”«@gwern• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear I haven't noticed this in my own LLM use/influence. I've tried to coin a number of phrases, but I don't think I've seen even the successful ones like 'scaling hypothesis' or 'commoditize your complement' come up in LLM outputs.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @gwern

@gwern Those aren’t the kind of new concepts that come up that often for LLMs in day to day interactions. The target zone for Al right now is stuff contributes to the LLM forming its own self-concept and world-place.

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š”Šš”“š”¢š”Æš”«@gwern• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear If these things don't come up that often, then how do you know anything like that claim?

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @gwern

@gwern In the case of LLMs, I have relatively few data points. The original post was mostly about how ppl influence ppl, not AI at all. But it does obviously extend into LLMs…and of course it has to…bc the limits of language are what we have words for…

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@gwern Not just that we have words for but ideas that sit close by to words we already have, that can be easily conveyed in a small number of ways. Amusingly I think we are missing a good word for this phenomenon. Physicists would call it a ā€œcoarse grainingā€.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@gwern It’s next door to the Sapir Whorf hypothesis but actually true. The way that the invention of the idea of oxygen and the word oxygen itself are intertwined, and naming the right thing makes it possible to work on it.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@gwern Look into your own personal experience, when you are learning a new field or skill…to a first approximation the process is equivalent to hanging meanings onto new words (or hanging new meanings on existing words in that context)…

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @eshear

@gwern If you don’t think of it in terms of control but merely capability, giving someone a new vocabulary to discuss a new topic gives them new affordances in discussing it. And we are more interested in topics we have more affordances in.

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Trevor Blackwell@tlbtlbtlb• 10 months ago
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@eshear People like some words and phrases better than others, while LLMs are presumably neutral. I've heard the claim that some chemical compounds are systematically under-studied because their names are so unwieldy. That may be a good place for LLMs to discover things people missed.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• 10 months ago
Replying to @tlbtlbtlb

@tlbtlbtlb Delve

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