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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago

Interpreting jokes in real time is murderously difficult. Here’s a classic Japan story and then one from me: https://t.co/ifyz5KVpve

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Some years ago I did a speech in Tokyo at a simultaneously interpeted Japanese/English. Simultaneous means attendees get an earpiece connected to an interpreter who is doing very-close-to real time interpretation.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Due to the wishes of the event organizer and the fact that most speakers could not speak Japanese, I was asked to do my presentation in English. Fine for me, saves a lot of effort in preparation.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

In very, very many of my presentations I tell a “fish out of water”story about living in Japan, to get a laugh during my brief life story before launching into the actual presentation content. And so I did that in this presentation as well.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

The load bearing part of the story, about the awkwardness of being a foreigner sometimes, was this: “I don’t know which of us had it rougher, me or Ogaki tax office. Me in figuring out the regs, or the Ogaki tax office in dealing with person who looks like me and sounds like:”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

“青色申告を提出したいですが手続きに関して確認させていただきたいことあえいます。”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

This got laughter from the audience, as expected. It’s a fun joke with a few layers to it, not relevant here. But I was not able to speak to the interpreter beforehand to let her know it was coming, and felt bad about that, because this requires very high speed tapdancing.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

(I was a translator/interpreter for a few years professionally and I was at no point good enough to pull anything like the following off.)

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Without taking more than a beat she drops from the usual-level-of-difficulty E-to-J simultaneous interpretation and switches to J-to-E, with an accent maximizing for comedic effect.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

(The content is approximately “Begging your pardon but prior to submission of my Schedule C there is a trivial detail I’d like to confirm with the tax office.”)

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

This is probably the second most impressive thing I’ve ever personally seen an interpreter do while being able to appreciate what makes it impressive. The most was years prior, at a E-to-J interpretation of a sales pitch for a database product. I was in audience repping a buyer.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

In the middle of a detailed and high speed description of compatibility between the product and Oracle-speaking clients, the speaker said that product had replicated exactly every expected function of an Oracle solution.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

What did you hear when you heard that? I am an American with an engineering degree, and I heard “We have feature-by-feature compatibility.” This is approximately what the interpreter simul-translated, using a Japanese word which (unlike function in English) cannot mean “method.”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

As a parenthetical aside two sentences later, without pausing, the speaker mentioned that for example they replicated Oracle’s quirks in parsing date time methods passed as arguments. The implication hit me, in my native language, 200 ms after the word CORRECTION hit my earpiece

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

“The product has method-per-method compatibility not feature-per-festure compatibility. Continuing: …”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

I didn’t get to speak to the interpreter but did get a chat with the speaker, where I told him “Get her card and tell the agency you want her assigned to every exec doing a presentation in Japan and if you can’t get her you want someone she handpicks.”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

And so anyone who calls an interpreter “non-technical” in front of me has just priced themselves in for an illuminating story unless that interpreter has specifically made that disclaimer themselves.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

As long as I’m talking about bilingual accounting stories here is one that is half that and half “men will remember any compliment a woman ever gives them until they die.” When running a business I got a call from prefectural tax office.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Business owners very seldomly interact with the prefectural tax office; you’re generally interacting with the city tax office on behalf of the national tax office. But they have one duty, which many owners resent, and the young lady started as quite apologetic about it.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

After the usual preliminaries about whether I could speak Japanese (the answer to which she thankfully took at face value, which is not 100% among government representatives), she asked whether I was aware of self-employment tax.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Oh yes, quite aware, happy to pay 5% of profits subject to some calculation necessary. Apologies Mr. McKenzie there are actually several rates and so I need to ask some questions about the character of your business. I’m quite sure I qualify only for highest rate but fire away.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

She gets through her questions, I answer. I’m terribly sorry Mr. McKenzie but it sounds like you will be taxed at the highest rate. There is an automatic deductible of X, so subtracting that from your profits, you have a taxable profit of Y, meaning you would need to pay Z.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Would that be acceptable, Mr. McKenzie? Err begging your pardon that is to say I am enthusiastically prepared to pay all taxes that my business owes but I have a slight comment to make about the calculation of these taxes. Of course sir I am happy to explain it to you.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Yes the automatic deduction is available for businesses that were in business the entire tax year but, as you are doubtless aware, it must be prorated for businesses which began mid-year. As the file says, I started on April 1st, and while I cannot do the mental math while…

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

… speaking in Japanese, I think I am required by law to prorate that exemption to approximately 3/4 of the number you just quoted, resulting in a slightly higher tax bill than you just quoted. Does this match your understanding? ten seconds of stunned silence and paper flipping

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

“Mr. McKenzie, should you decide to change careers in the future, please give consideration to becoming a tax accountant. Yes, your understanding is entirely accurate, and I regret the lapse.” “Oh no trouble at all.”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

You might reasonably ask why I knew that and the answer is I Googled it but it was also in the colorful Welcome To Doing Taxes As A Sole Proprietor pamphlet the city tax office gave me when I stopped in to tell them that I would be doing that. I read the pamphlet, of course.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

あります. Sorry, fingers don’t get any small when typing Japanese.

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