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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago

A lot of what people presume is fixed about airline tickets is a social fiction that the airline empowers tens of thousands of people to waive if you ask nicely. (And there are other social fictional elements, like “a ticket means you definitely have a seat on the named plane.”) https://t.co/6rGuz6f34H

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

You might think you could get hit with a same-day change fee if you ask to board the “wrong” plane and same-day change fees are also a social fiction.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

“Could you please waive that, because I would prefer not to pay a fee.” has worked before.

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Zvi Mowshowitz@TheZvi• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

@patio11 My observation was that this reliably worked when the plane was not full until some time in the 2010s, then reliably stopped working. What's the most recent time you've pulled this off?

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @TheZvi

@TheZvi I have not routinely travelled domestically via airplane during my adult life and accordingly have limited personal experience with this specific trick.

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Zvi Mowshowitz@TheZvi• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

@patio11 Curious to hear from others then. I used to fly constantly for Magic tournaments and routinely do this, then suddenly got a consistent no.

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Zvi Mowshowitz@TheZvi• over 1 year ago
Replying to @TheZvi

@patio11 The obviously correct price is presumably zero, because you are helping the airline free up space it might need in exchange for space it knows is free, and it buys lots of goodwill. And yet. My assumption is they got greedy.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @TheZvi

@TheZvi The maximally charitable version is “We charge price-insensitive time-sensitive sophisticated-usage business travelers to subsidize price-sensitive time-insensitive rube-usage leisure travelers, across many decisions. This is one of them.”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @TheZvi

@TheZvi Weak evidence is evidence: ChatGPT thinks this is possible and that Covid caused airlines to be more forgiving about changes.

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Zvi Mowshowitz@TheZvi• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

@patio11 Ah. It seems plausible that it was possible until ~2014 or something, then stopped working, then after Covid started working again. I will resume trying when opportunity arises.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

I remember one conversation, incidentally, where the negotiation hinged on whether I was traveling on business For Real or not. “Usually your company would pay for that.” Me, quietly: “Oh I understand this logic now and what a line that is.” Me, out loud: “They will not let me.”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

“What they’d stick you with a change fee?!” “Per company policy I would have to pay for the change fee.” “Oh that ain’t right.” “I would really appreciate not paying a fee ma’am.” “I’ll waive it for you then.”

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Subtext: sole owner of an LLC really does pay all change fees and is definitionally correct about what company policy is as to change fee reimbursement.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

“Patrick did you lie to an unsophisticated wage earner?” No Kalzumeus Software, LLC accurately represented its negotiating position to Delta Air Lines, Inc’s designated agent after which a mutually amenable resolution was swiftly reached.

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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 1 year ago
Replying to @patio11

Speaking of which “Per company policy” functions as a magical spell. This is one reason why companies train employees to invoke it. If you are not capable of this magic spell, all fifty states will happily upgrade you to a fully paperworked wizard for a nominal fee.

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