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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago

Apropos the recent controversy: the word delve is rarely used in English. Except used by LLMs, and in formal register Nigerian English. https://t.co/izRMkRfS8h

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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This has sparked controversy bc making fun of someone for using “delve” and sounding like an AI (which it does indicate in a probabilistic way) could reasonably feel like an attack on a Nigerian using their formal register.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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There has been a long trend in American culture against the formal register, it sounds pompous and ridiculous today. We have had a mass movement against the formal over the past 100 years (hoodies over suits, formal etiquette is dead, death of formal address like sir/maam).

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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Based on my limited understanding this impulse to the egalitarian and casual has not been mirrored globally in all English speaking countries, where the formal register is still considered polite/respectful in appropriate contexts.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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So it’s not so much about American vs Nigerian vocabulary generally here, as it is a debate as to whether a formal register is a good idea. I want to make the case that the death of the formal register is a good thing, and in general we should expect it to spread.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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Why do you have a formal and casual version of language rather than a single form? Safety and control in the face of high stakes status games.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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The formal version of a language can be identified bc it has more rigid rules. The higher rigidity is important bc it is more effortful to use, but correct use means fewer opportunities to make mistakes. In effect, it replaces substance with form.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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Why would you want to replace substance with form? Bc if saying something “wrong” means losing status or being seen as disrespectful by authority, having to get substance correct is *terrifying*. Substance is hard. You cannot consistently always be right.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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Form, by contrast, is relatively easy. Yes you have to work at it, but it yields to mere effort. You can assure yourself of having done right because you followed known rules.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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This kind of safety-in-rule-following is important if making a mistake of respect/manners will be punished. Those kinds of mistakes are punished to create a certain kind of conformity, conformity to an authority.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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Formal manners and language are like the brown M&M’s Van Halen rider…if you can’t get this small visible rule following thing right, you might be violating the rules in sneakier ways. So formality is generally a test of conformity.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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(It also serves a dual purpose as a distancing mechanism: having a conforming mask one can put on enables people to distance their true feelings or attitudes behind that mask, which can be a relief)

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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But we value conformity less today and for good reason. In the modern world, variance is important and should be rewarded because it’s the source of most new good things. We want to judge people on their substance, not their conformity.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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So I think the death of the formal in American culture is mostly good. Tho it does mean it’s harder to signal status respect and I think there are other tradeoffs.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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That said, now that I know delve is commonly used in the formal Nigerian register I’ll read it as “this was written respectfully by someone speaking Nigerian English” as a possible reason rather than being LLM-written.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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Incidentally I think it’s no accident LLMs grabbed a word from formal Nigerian English…they speak in overly formal English broadly, so I bet they picked up on the formality of it and they don’t have the culturally context sensitivity to realize it sounds weird in American.

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Emmett Shear@eshear• over 1 year ago
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(If I could go back I’d have used “dig” rather than “dive” in the charts bc it’s the closer word)

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b (🦭)@br___ian• over 1 year ago
Replying to @eshear

@eshear I have no data for this but I also associate delve with a certain sort of university professor, would not be surprised if there's also a small culture of use which might also have outsized influence

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Julian (moissanist)@moissanist• over 1 year ago
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@eshear In b4 llms favourite format is legacy

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