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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago

alignment is not fundamentally a machine learning problem optimising narrow objectives is a machine learning problem. the messy problem of what "alignment" means, i.e., how can an intelligence fit into a larger ecology of humans, is, well, an ecological problem https://t.co/GnDszbMpJ9

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

alignment is not fundamentally a multi-objective problem either sure, the "solution" will involve machine learning and multi objective optimisation. but fundamentally, the wisdom and level of open-ended action is at the level of integrating intelligences into ecologies https://t.co/e2Bh8KIUqD

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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"multi objective optimisation" may be useful. but it's a small tool in an overall framework viewing training & rolling out AI as intelligences to be integrated in "working with spirits" and "raising children" are closer metaphors to alignment than "multi objective optimisation"

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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this is obvious once stated. but of course, it's not obvious to the kind of person who thinks optimisation and rule-following and training data is all that exists https://t.co/kM4RJ7gYfV https://t.co/gBV3NDS1ud

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago

ecological language is such a natural fit for talking about AI alignment. 𝘣𝘦𝘀𝘒𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘭π˜ͺ𝘷𝘦 π˜ͺ𝘯 𝘒𝘯 𝘦𝘀𝘰𝘭𝘰𝘨𝘺 a continuous living cooperation of various beings and forces, we don’t want disrupted

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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we need the best ML minds, this much is true. but the overall view and approach needs to be informed by ecological, animist, and relational wisdom. because this is about non-human actors in an ecology relating to us https://t.co/P41kW6tfTh

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago

"talking stones" is the butt of anti-animist jokes. and yet we spend most of our time, essentially, around stones that talk. the defining question of our era is what will we do with the stones that talk

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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animists don't make the mistake of thinking artificial intelligences are human like. and when LLMs get RLHF'ed to simulate a human response, they're not confused about the actor *literally being human-like*. they're more sophisticated users

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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my hypothesis is they could be more sophisticated designers and stewards as well. but it takes some cross-disciplinary exposure few have. @relic_radiation being among them

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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myths about trickster gods and monkey paws abound. the understanding of ecological shocks, a layer of cultural machinery that aligns individual machinery, etc. is there in metaphors and frameworks more evocative and more cut to the task at hand

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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there's something here, but unless someone makes it a whole lot more specific and proves it out, it'll remain a hypothesis, and no one will care

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthβ€’ over 1 year ago
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fascinating take lol https://t.co/yDqShSfpuW

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Aleksi Liimatainen@aleksil79β€’ over 1 year ago

ah this expresses it nicely doomers gonna doom because they're experts in the wrong field, trying to solve the wrong problem using the wrong methods, and we can only hope their mistakes will not fail to cancel out https://t.co/fkpfYQirJY

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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiationβ€’ over 1 year ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth yah I'm in an AI safety class and this is my biggest takeaway. I'm hyperattuned to the phase transition between computer language of numerical precision, and human language of words and sense-impression many people are not. and that misattunement causes runaway muddy confusion

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