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Matt Bateman@mbateman• over 1 year ago

I ran across this again today The optimistic hypothesis is that it’s a timeless but empty complaint The pessimistic hypothesis is that it reflects a steady, decades-long decline in wanting to work https://t.co/1ZpkV59zjV

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Matt Bateman@mbateman• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

“Nobody wants to work anymore” Obviously not literally true, but is there something important to it?

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Matt Bateman@mbateman• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

I’m unsure. It certainly seems like there’s something to it in absolute terms—many people have an unhealthy or mixed relationship to work and more broadly effort—but hard to judge the “anymore” part

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Matt Bateman@mbateman• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

Some of you are interpreting this as true in a Mitch Hedbeg sense, i.e. “Nobody wants to work anymore. They didn’t used to want to work, and they still don’t.” For my purposes that falls into the “timeless but empty” category

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Matt Bateman@mbateman• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

And yes my (correct) background assumption is that disliking work as such is a pathology https://t.co/6zyyGitxV0

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Matt Bateman@mbateman• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

This is blowing up too much for an imprecise musing. I don’t really think these newspaper clippings form a proper explanandum, and I didn’t mean the hypotheses I mentioned to be exhaustive. I do think the question of work ethic over time is interesting for independent reasons.

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Leo Guinan (on a break)@leo_guinan• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

@mbateman Theory: it has to do with the disconnection between work and value.Knowledge of the value gained has more weight than the work, because of the difficult capture mechanics and conversion to currency. But now capture costs essentially 0.

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Aaron Bergman 🔍 ⏸️ (in that order)@AaronBergman18• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

@mbateman Or it’s just literally true and has been forever lol. Of course nobody wants to work, that’s why you have to give them money to do it!

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Gnostrils@gnostrils• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

@mbateman they say “anymore” but i’m not seeing evidence that people *ever* wanted to work

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David R. MacIver@DRMacIver• over 1 year ago
Replying to @mbateman

@mbateman I suspect some of it is a decades long decline in the benefit : cost ratio of work, where previously the incentives pushed you much more into work whether you wanted to or not. Wanting to work is downstream of working amd it going well for most people, not the cause of it

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David R. MacIver@DRMacIver• over 1 year ago
Replying to @DRMacIver

@mbateman I think most of this, and certainly many of these complaints, are actually the opposite problem: as cost of living rises, the set of things it's worth paying someone to do diminishes.

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