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this reminds me, bf and i were talking recently about the different ways people seem to be modeling everything that's been going down in gaza it feels like there are 2 main views??-- https://t.co/qbpmxjII1w
speaking only about people who arent just purely driven by vengeance and bloodlust from here on out: my sense is that people who side with palestine view this as a cycle of violence that can only be broken by people choosing pacifism
what seems to work is an individual placing themselves in the line of fire, preferably in front of cameras this leaves your enemies the option of either de-escalating with you, or very publicly becoming the villain https://t.co/vw4araKwlq
i'm honestly not clear what this might look like if israel were to attempt this approach, but there's a third component: there has to be a condition under which your enemy is willing to de-escalate it's unclear to me whether one exists here
the pro-israel position seems to be one hinging on game theory rn my sense is that israel can cooperate or defect and hamas will always, ALWAYS defect it feels like the best israel can do is to play tit for tat as aggressively as they have to to FORCE de-escalation
wish i could say i was surprised by the replies here fits my model though-- the vast majority are non-answers that make sense in a "cycle of violence" framework, the rest are "move israeli jews someplace more hospitable" https://t.co/2VRnGvh6Bl
@goblinodds "Hamas is removed from power and Gaza is disarmed" is what Israeli victory looks like "Jews move out of the Middle East" is what Hamas victory looks like pretty much all other outcomes mean that the war is undecided, aka "the cycle of violence"
The first one still isn't really a victory for Israel, is it? Hamas is fairly new in the grand scheme of things. Who's going to rule Gaza after Hamas? Countries that are growing economically are less likely to initiate war, and it's very hard for Gaza independently to do much (unless it becomes subsumed into Egypt/Jordan and maybe then they have a fighting chance of improving their lives & lessening extremism etc. but that also requires a lot of work from those countries & giving up on this idea that all of the land Israel is currently on is supposed to be Arab land)
@goblinodds note that while Jews may have territorial, political, religious, and economic *conflicts* with Palestinians as a whole, these can be resolved or managed peacefully. this WAR is specifically between the state of Israel and the ~20,000 defect-bots with guns and rockets called Hamas
@goblinodds There is an alternative solution/alternative world here that almost happened that I can't stop thinking about https://t.co/ShdTYAKgWt