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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago

thinking about this community map this part of twitter is interesting coz ppl realised they could move right, from temporary to permanent online relationships then the swarm of camps proved we can do temporary local community now the big Q: how to land in the bottom right? https://t.co/RNN2S4WEHr

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

I have fairly thorough documentation of the move to "temporary + local", mostly 2-5 day events for 20-500 people: https://t.co/f7UxrsEJll

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago

if your worried about this platform dying simply go to enough meetups so you dont need it anymore

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
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and there's some weak signals of a move to "medium-term + local": 1 to 3-month residencies: https://t.co/8G83EsFRlR but these are all definitely temporary encounters, nobody plans to make a long term commitment permanent + local is not well charted in these parts

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsabout 3 years ago

recurrent theme in recent convos: not quite 'lets start a commune' but, 'lets come together for 1-3 month co-living residencies'

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

1st thing I get from this map: I realise I'm only really interested in community organising if it is heading towards the bottom right quadrant top right and bottom left are interesting places for practice, experimentation, recruiting, deepening... but they're all low stakes

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
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2nd thing: I think many people are instinctively heading bottom-rightwards, but a lot of them lack details about what the destination actually looks like I wanna make a rough chart of what some of the options are for permanent local community

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

when I start mapping the Permanent Local subtypes, there are loads of dimensions: - urban / rural - residential / non-residential - polycentric / singular - etc maybe its helpful to draw a clear image for each of these options, so people know which one they're steering towards

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

I think the most desirable option for the younger ppl in tpot is polycentric, urban + residential: many small shared houses within cycling distance, informally organised, no central coordination, porous boundaries, ~no meetings

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

personally I find the idea of any large scale (>10 people) coliving experiment utterly unappealing unless it is polycentric. commune / gated community / a big apartment building with one coordinating committee... yuck

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

I think there's a risk that large scale projects attract capital/attention/hype and soak up people who would be happier in a polycentric neighbourhood polycentric is probably harder to start tho I hear good rumours about The Neighborhood in SF: https://t.co/sDPkdTc1iJ

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

this winter Nati & I are running a 3 month prototype for a permanent + local + rural space for short community gatherings hubs like this don't provide much long term living, but do add density to the social graph for the people visiting https://t.co/hhqKqahy84

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

ideally our place will play a similar role to Elkenmist a permanent place, but with less focus on permanent residents and more focus on densifying connections between visitors from the extended global scene https://t.co/lJfFJh0M3j

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

here's an inside look at The Neighborhood in SF https://t.co/VOiX5PIFVI

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

also seems crucial to have urban non-residential infrastructure, communal lounge/hangout/gallery/party/project space aka "third space" like BridgeSpace PDX, Commons SF, Medley in Berlin (RIP), Blivande in Stockholm... seems extremely hard to make these sustainable tho

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

Fractal is a bit like the NYC version of The Neighborhood SF https://t.co/l0ZoktPUaz

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andrew (in CS teacher mode) 🌹@__drewfacealmost 2 years ago

@RichDecibels @harry_taussig @Prigoose it is exactly this: > polycentric, urban, residential: many small shared houses within cycling distance, informally organised, no central coordination, porous boundaries, ~no meetings it's 11 separately governed apartments in a big loft building in nyc w a communal 3rd space

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

this map implies that it's possible/natural to move from online to local community, but I want to be clear I don't know if that's true. there's a chance that online is basically a distraction and the sensible path is to focus on local from the outset

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

Octo wrote a cool thread in parallel to mine https://t.co/NAQomjemlF

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Octopusyarn@octopusyarnalmost 2 years ago

Excellent thread @RichDecibels, adding some thoughts here on: 1) the function of online 2) why the temporary local is crucial 3) how to move to permanent local 4) saving communes with polycentrism 5) the map as a living pipeline 6) missing dimensions next to the social https://t.co/a9yrtgNqKm https://t.co/n3LjO9qJvc

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Pepijn is going to treeweek 2@pepijndevosalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

@RichDecibels @VosAldo is working on some permanent community where the end game is some sort of eco campus

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Vivid Void@VividVoid_almost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

@RichDecibels I am thinking about a big house in the mountains like J Krishnamurti had Not necessarily trying to make it a business or retreat center or anything, though it could be those things sometimes More like Rivendell

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @VividVoid_

@VividVoid_ 😎🙏

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Octopusyarn@octopusyarnalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

@RichDecibels started adding my 2 cents and ended up spilling a whole wallet over it https://t.co/j0pqG971b5

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Octopusyarn@octopusyarnalmost 2 years ago

Excellent thread @RichDecibels, adding some thoughts here on: 1) the function of online 2) why the temporary local is crucial 3) how to move to permanent local 4) saving communes with polycentrism 5) the map as a living pipeline 6) missing dimensions next to the social https://t.co/a9yrtgNqKm https://t.co/n3LjO9qJvc

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Richard D. Bartlett@RichDecibelsalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @octopusyarn

@octopusyarn 🤑

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junk wants you 🫵 at scamp aka SEAcamp 2@zrkrlcalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @RichDecibels

@RichDecibels @nobu_hibiki

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nobu hibiki@nobu_hibikialmost 2 years ago
Replying to @zrkrlc

@zrkrlc @RichDecibels im super urhm on the bottom right. the only images of what that looks like is """Expanded fandoms""" like mindvalley or nerdfighteria or the bts army

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nobu hibiki@nobu_hibikialmost 2 years ago
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@zrkrlc @RichDecibels and i have reservations against community that becomes to big.

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