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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

ive been avoiding events that give me the creeps, and it's felt weird and petty to say, "iii don't want to go to that, because it seems marketed that way" https://t.co/zBbrUenuvm

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 3 years ago

every time i say magic or spiritual, i feel like i have to stop and say “not hippies.” there’s something that feels off about them to me. i don’t trust this like i go FUCK NO. whatever this is, no https://t.co/Stqi05p7my

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

but as i think back to my asheville experience, and to the song circles i found in LA i most trust and love, none of them were marketed this way none of them had any interest in looking like this

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10/21/2023
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💝@kumbuchaqueen• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth It reeks of that dude orchestrating the whole thing to get laidWhich, to each his own insert sexist comment here that's the way of the world but why would any guy want to participate in another guys schemeNo honest connection or solid friendships are ever going to come from it

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10/21/2023
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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth How were they marketed? Rn I can't imagine an alternative and want to know what that might look like

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10/22/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @not_a_hot_girl

@not_a_hot_girl they barely are? idk. @relic_radiation?

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10/22/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiation• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl yeah they literally are not marketed word of mouth? as far as I can tell, I’m the marketing but I’m not even “marketing” I’m sharing my experience https://t.co/G0PyuwHgAR

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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiation• almost 2 years ago

> From San Francisco to Asheville and Back: A Cross-Cultural Reflection >> On the city and the forest. I wrote a post about my SF <-> Asheville journey, and WOW it covers a lot of ground. motivational architectures, nonlogical wisdoms, grief, death, mystery link in bio 🌿 https://t.co/FdkMwzXSkw

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @relic_radiation

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl >as far as I can tell, I’m the marketing lmao

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10/22/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiation• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl though yatharth I do wonder I have some friends that are online that look, a little bit like your pictures but they’re real whataya think of the vibes here https://t.co/wK5CX2op8l https://t.co/sSfqcM3wEH https://t.co/Wx6I1ObCc9 https://t.co/Q9iy25pGxV

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10/22/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiation• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @relic_radiation

@AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl maybe they ARE marketed but just haven’t reached our corner of the world yet, for whatever reason

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10/22/2023
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bashu, thanks@bashu_thanks• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @relic_radiation

@relic_radiation @AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl You're friends with rising Appalachia??

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10/23/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiation• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @bashu_thanks

@bashu_thanks @AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl yah I met them in Asheville and ran their twitter account for a few months! @RisingApp

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10/23/2023
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bashu, thanks@bashu_thanks• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @relic_radiation

@relic_radiation @AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl @RisingApp They are awesome

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10/23/2023
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Elena Lake 🌿@relic_radiation• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @bashu_thanks

@bashu_thanks @AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl @RisingApp yah they connected me to my mythosomatics teacher, got me into folk music, and generally influenced me a lot they have a deep relationship with the muses 💜 twas sheartwarming to experience what’s your relationship with their music?

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10/23/2023
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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @relic_radiation

@relic_radiation @AskYatharth @askyatharth also v curious how you find these!

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @not_a_hot_girl

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation https://t.co/TOT4nYrHRb a little clean, but they are musicians, facing externally, so it makes sense. also, their music is just good. they win me over with just pure quality. their songs feel

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10/25/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation https://t.co/GervJ1JlU0 seems like normal eastern european girl instagram not trying to be creepy in that way im creeped by

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10/25/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation https://t.co/EDuqMwxFS9 his eyes just look sort of hopelessly sincere, he's a david foster wallace type wants the hippie aesthetic, seems like lives it too. doesn't seem like he's trying to do the "project frame control" thing https://t.co/tkIfhc0vuF

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

lots of frame control, careful calibration of aesthetics, viciously backed https://t.co/HZA2juTUpj

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation https://t.co/Q48MrErRy2 o no, this has some of the touristy vibes. in a room of people, i'd seek someone else's company first maybe someone who who seemed naturally deeper, more embedded

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10/25/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation she talks about the earth and squees in a way that seems less like she is part of it and more it is an "other" uh, "sheltered" people of the kind i was trying to refer to earlier do this a lot. with exotic people, cultures, "look!" parading https://t.co/bdNh0UmpMB

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation i mean something like sheltered, consumeristic, more comfortable when everyone is polite and doesn’t speak the truth, i somehow sense they would be hostile or threatened if i spoke freely. not quite friends of the truth. friends of being proper

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl many things there seem to travel by friendship, it's a dear system https://t.co/QKJUb6GkvM

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

music as a participation in a social body cultural and historical relationships embedded in a real social and energetic body https://t.co/Ah5ZLXP6m1

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl come to think of it, my favourite backyard LA song circles aren't marketed either. just a whatsapp group and friends

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10/22/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl they're deeply open to anyone, but… they're not looking to list on event pages. somehow that would be wrong

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10/22/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl it's delicate, because some people do seem to market, but there seems to be an energetic shift, where it's now an other kind of thing it's like… consumer-focused. consumer-babied. the white wealthy consumer comes in and expects things handed

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10/22/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl getting the word out within the community via posters feels somehow different. or even web pages for the mythic singing thing there's a very real difference in "providing experience" versus "public periscope to draw more people into the orbit"

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10/22/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl i wish i had a better adjective than white, because that's not it, and i don't like using that adjective, but the thing in my head, i don't have a better word for right now. apologies

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10/22/2023
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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @relic_radiation I actually also don’t quite know what you mean by white, and I also have an aversion to it as a descriptorbut maybe you mean something like "the benefactors of legibility, the people for whom things are created, the people who waltz in+don't have to create things from scratch"? https://t.co/UmZrv69PU3

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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago

@meansinfinity @relic_radiation @AskYatharth It’s like tpot's commitment to illegibility, right?For some reason, stating too clearly what ur about will tend to attract bad vibes more quickly than j letting what u do percolate slowly thru the groundwater+building a following graduallyReminded of Seeing Like a State here

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @not_a_hot_girl

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation yeah, “white” does not feel helpful in practice as a descriptor. vague and inflammatory, while pointing to very real, important descriptors in people’s heads, so not dismissible: perfect storm

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation i mean something like sheltered, consumeristic, more comfortable when everyone is polite and doesn’t speak the truth, i somehow sense they would be hostile or threatened if i spoke freely. not quite friends of the truth. friends of being proper

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10/23/2023
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Matthew Dub@5matthewdub• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation people who expect everything to be made for them, because the world already mostly is

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @5matthewdub

@5matthewdub @not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation i didn't get this at first, but actually, yeah https://t.co/wFBM6q61vL

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation “forever tourist” also feels in the right direction https://t.co/PjpnElSJcr

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10/25/2023
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Matthew Dub@5matthewdub• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation yup yup like how italy had to invent the "americano" because god forbid they adapt to a novel experience

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10/25/2023
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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @relic_radiation Oh I seeHmm!(the not-free-to-speak-truth I don't associate w white people at all, I associate it with wokeness/pearl clutching. I associate it a LOT w womeni actually feel safer w whites bc I can say more outré stuff than they can; then often they feel safe to do the same)

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @not_a_hot_girl

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation >pearl clutching mm. vicious, proper, entitled, pearl-clutching. also associate it more with women

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10/24/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation “forever tourist” also feels in the right direction https://t.co/PjpnElSJcr

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation https://t.co/Q48MrErRy2 o no, this has some of the touristy vibes. in a room of people, i'd seek someone else's company first maybe someone who who seemed naturally deeper, more embedded

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10/25/2023
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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @relic_radiation (Oh- I thought you were using the word, marketing very broadly, in a way that includes posters and copy written for internal circulation only. I would consider this aesthetic of "marketing" to be signaling too, in your case a good signal!)

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10/23/2023
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maeby@maebichka• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @not_a_hot_girl

@AskYatharth @relic_radiation Also wait. Say an event isn't marketed, u got there by word of mouth - but you walk in and it looks just like those photos, aestheticallyDo you get as much ick?I thought you were saying the aesthetic itself turns you off, but maybe u rly meant the marketing specifically?

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @not_a_hot_girl

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation idk maeby i’d be suspicious still, maybe 50/50 that it feels chill but these events are often marketed, and when it is, it suddenly feels among the spiritually homeless a lot of burning man felt like that

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation sometimes there’s a very aggressive gendered thing going on, where i usually feel pretty enough i get attention from the women, but some of the men just feel.. off

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@not_a_hot_girl @relic_radiation the few times i’ve found myself in a non-marketed, just a deep, group friends with this aesthetic, it’s been really easy to just be like “no” or “yes” and decide how to spend my time. it felt normal the marketed stuff is where there’s this weird haze for me

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10/23/2023
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Johnson (TC House Lisbon -Dec)@justavagrant_• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @relic_radiation @not_a_hot_girl I’ve found that word of mouth from friends I trust and whose opinions I can place in context is the closest substitute to seeing for myself

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10/23/2023
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

good reminder, im just cultivating taste https://t.co/yTAuselAvC

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

thank you to @bungoman @not_a_hot_girl and @BigSky_7 for helping remember that sniffing out what i like and dislike is cool and normal https://t.co/c4RyWfC1TG https://t.co/AeqvbqqNDP

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

my conclusion https://t.co/Kdd75DhEhs

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• almost 2 years ago

my main conclusion from this is the only remarkable thing about "conscious hippies" is that unlike punk music, or boxing, for some reason it wasn't as simple as "ah i don't like that" → "don't think too much about them again" https://t.co/bDotiSSpqA

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Ra is DJing at Cascade Camp 9-12 to 9-15@slimepriestess• almost 2 years ago
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@AskYatharth https://t.co/2HHSDFXjTa

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