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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago

there's lots of memes that try and turn people evil with a message of "there's no such thing as virtue, there is only vice" these memes are aided by the massive amounts of hypocrisy that exists. there's no shortage of people doing gnarly shit while trying to look virtuous

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

cool jaded cynics try to pass it off as "there's no such thing as virtue and that's good and fine and this is totally a coherent perspective", but they give themselves by the glee, vehemence, and sadism exhibited when trying to break people who insist in having a moral backbone

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

once i was tempted to quite blogging cuz i was getting eaten by "the only aims it's possible to have for this are being a high status writer like the people you admire, and that's not virtuous" to hold that perspective i needed to ignore all the good things that have come to me/

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

/from other people blogging online, and ignore the fact that i want to help people like me which are two fucking HUGE things to ignore. the time i got most psyopped by this meme i was lucky to only absorb the "no virtue" and not the "and thats good" https://t.co/Q66as9WdJG

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Hazard@natural_hazardabout 5 years ago

more precision: less "ahhh no free will!" and more "aaaahhh I can see nothing in myself of others that is meaningful and valuable, just a bunch of mechs habituated to respond to social scripts" i will describe how this came together https://t.co/9oSnAzMRRI

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

which just meant that my ability to consciously or conceptually interact with my moral intuitions got fucked, but i didn't actively pioneer modes of being evil which seems to be what happen if you go through the full moral inversion process

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

other anti-morality meme power ups: there's lots of active and ambient gaslighting about morality, if you aren't able to consider the possibility that people are lying as much as they are, you can end up confused intense scrupulosity is an example of such a confused state

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

anti-morality memes are also buffed by the fact that you probs absorbed non-trivial habits of orienting to simulacral versions of virtue in order to fit in so when the memes prompt you to examine your own behavior, you find incriminating evidence!

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

if you still have intact moral intuitions, and the memes can point to examples within and without of virtue actually being vice, it's distressing! you might be evil! that's awful! there is pressure and tensions and pain and an obvious release valve of "vice is good, actually"

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

you can take the "bad is good, actually" pill in more and less totalizing ways there's the mostly unreflective, partially ironic popular versions like "having a villain era". they can be locally useful to relieve coercive pressure on you, but/ https://t.co/wiIqbiumS4

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Hazard@natural_hazardabout 2 years ago

totalizing stances don't come with an in-game off switch things like having a villain era and existential kink are in-game methods for fighting shame/judgement/anxiety https://t.co/TQuuHDAPsZ

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

/as long as you are confused about the distinction between the coercive nonsense people call morality and the actual real thing, you are at risk of slowly actually self-modifying into evil since you aren't really steering

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

another boon for anti-morality memes: part of the way out is seeing clearly the multi-layered and extensive ways the world you were born into is unjust, and ways it's wormed into you, which means realizing your interests are deeply opposed to most powerful entities around you

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

which can be reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally scary, especially if you don't have a threat model and assume that this being the case means you're just utterly fucked, they way you would be if moral-inversion orders were able to be self-interested and strategic in eliminating their enemies

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

something about the whole moral inversion process fucks up strategic thinking, so odds are you aren't in as much immediate / medium term danger as you might expect https://t.co/PZFh5lETLI

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Hazard@natural_hazardabout 2 years ago

you've let the contradiction at the heart of the game into your body enough to act in accord with it, but you have not integrated it into your holistic understanding of your situation you can vibe with the lie, but you can't strategize about the lie or talk about the lie

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Hazard@natural_hazardalmost 2 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

https://t.co/t6JZRXgGjf

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 2 years ago

the worst psy-op of all time comes in many forms but reduces to "bad is good, actually"

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