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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago

The Courage to be Disliked triggers many people, commonly for that it says things like "Trauma doesn't exist." without qualification. But here's what I think the book is actually saying: [1/n]

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Understandably, many people get upset about this claim: it seems like it's denying the lived experience of many people who have trauma and also feel like they can't get out of it.

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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Here's a whole reddit thread of people freaking out about this https://t.co/afbjfNqvS3

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Okay, what I think the book is really saying here is that *etiological* trauma does not exist. That is: it's not the case that some very specific event/trauma in the past can meaningfully explain for your behavior in the present

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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Like, it can still be true that physics and brains are deterministic and determined by the past, but it's *not* the case that you know exactly what things are the cause of your behavior in the present.

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

But if you're blaming your present state (X behavior, Y anxiety) on some very specific past trauma, isn't that suspicious?

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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That said, I think the others would agree with the following statement: *teleological* trauma exists, and ~all trauma is teleological. Ie: the experience of trauma is in some way *itself* goal-driven

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Here's how that would work: "Alice was in some situation in the past where she learned an unhelpful belief, and now in the present she still have that belief even though it's not optimal"

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

The belief still has to be serving (part of) her, though, if she still has it. Maybe the belief is something that she (on some level) thinks keeps her safe, even if in many everyday situations it causes unwanted effects.

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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For example, maybe Alice learned that if she speaks up her mind then she will be hurt. But now in the office she doesn't share her mind.But the belief is still useful for as long as she believes that "If I speak up, I could get hurt"!

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

So it's not that she's damaged (etiological), it's that she's trying to do her best and follow her beliefs (teleological)

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Also, the book kind of points at this but I suspect the authors would also agree with the claims: - If you believe "I can't get past my trauma", you will, in fact, never get past your trauma

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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- If you believe that you can't get past your trauma, that belief ITSELF is teleological

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Put another way: if you believe in etiology (if you believe you don't have free will and that your present behavior is unavoidably determined by trauma in the past and you will always be traumatized) *that belief* is ITSELF teleological

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Again, notice the self-fulfilling prophecy: If you ever conclude "I can't get past my trauma", you will never get past your trauma until you get past that (self-sustaining) belief. And there might be other benefits, e.g. others might take better care of you

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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Okay, even with all of that said, I don't think the book explains:1. how cognition works (how beliefs effect behavior and subjective experience)2. how to actually change beliefs!I believe I have traction on both

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

1. I don't think the book effectively explains the process of cognition / interpretation / beliefs. Instead, it gives a vibe of "you're upset because you want to be upset", lol

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

But it's true on some level that "That person didn't make you upset by insulting you— you got upset because you (your brain) interpreted what they said as something that should cause suffering"Graphically, here's how I think cognition works: https://t.co/YrPG0rCGVC

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

And this is another graphic for that Also this video https://t.co/XCyv51kbs6 https://t.co/Qq46HBAQYf

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Crucially, it's not "External Events --> Feelings" or "Internal Feelings --> Actions", but there's a layer of interpretation in between. And your interpretations can change and improve.

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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2. But how can interpretations (beliefs) change and improve? The book doesn't (effectively) explain this, imo, it just says that it's possible

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

My favorite answer for how to do that is something called Coherence Therapy! I've been practicing it for more than a year, it's excellent. My favorite explanation is all of this post by @xuenay : https://t.co/ZbX7Curvvb

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
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Basically: your brain is running mostly in parallel. Different parts are making different predictions. Sometimes those predictions conflict. Usually these conflicts are resolved automatically, but sometimes they get stuck

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

For example, your beliefs might get stuck if you believe "I'm a boring person". If you believe this (and also that it matters), then you might talk to some people, say less things, they might think you're boring, and you'll get *more evidence* for the fact that you're boring

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy!I think this might describe how all beliefs (and traumas) get stuck in some way or another, though I'm not sure yet

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Anyways, it's possible to get parts of the brain to talk to each other, and then form more coherent beliefs— and that's Coherence Therapy.(Yes it's like IFS, but I think CT's ontology is better)

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Okay one last thing I want to say about The Courage to be Disliked: I don't think it effectively explains that it doesn't believe that the 'subconscious mind' exists as separate from the 'conscious mind'.

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Because of this, the book writes "Person A wants X" and "Person B has the goal of Y" even though no one would endorse "wanting" or "having the goal" of {being traumatized, being anxious, being upset, being angry}

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

But I have to say I think Alfred Adler and Adlerian Psychology are right about this: I don't think the subconscious mind exists (in the way most people think it does). It's too easy to blame one's trauma/feelings/actions on the subconscious

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Instead, I understand this as follows: there are parts of the mind that represent beliefs that the main/"conscious"/verbal part of the mind doesn't endorse.And I think this too is teleological

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Chris Lakin@ChrischipMonk• about 2 years ago
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk

Also I'm writing lots more about this, I've been thinking about things like this all year. To be posted on my substack (eventually) https://t.co/XRVC9mpErt

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