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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago

I've been thinking that we could probably use bespoke offramps for cults, but it seemed obvious to me that they'd need to be written by people who'd left those exact cults, articulating new views that actually transcend & include the old views, not just pay lip service https://t.co/hoDaDqR4Xf

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9/24/2022
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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

these are obviously going to be a lot less opinionated towards a lateral viewpoint than the permission structure versions eg for vax might say something more honest like "yeah, there are risks. I eventually decided it was worth it, but it's a tough call" https://t.co/VhioU5axbq

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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

if you actually understand someone's actual experience & values, you can actually engage with them and help them figure out what's actually good for them, which is a very different kind of move

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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

it could be that some of the people someone might be trying to influence don't actually have a deep take on the situation, they just have a bit of rhetoric that resonates with some aspect of their experience, and are thus easily given a new one but https://t.co/7qCchofxGR

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eigenrobot@eigenrobotโ€ข almost 3 years ago

"permission structuring" my fundamental objection to this is that it is not how one speaks to free men and equals

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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

overall this offramps thing seems like it could comprise a whole sub-department of the Memetic Mediation Division of the Metamodern Post-propaganda Project

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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

a link to some of my earlier speculation on this topic, though I don't go into much depth there: https://t.co/Fc6l0s76xE

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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข about 3 years ago

@stephlepp Ooooh, this is very cool. Dovetails with something I'd been thinking about which is how to create an offramp or series of offramps for different extreme viewpoints. Your thread here seems like a starting point for a manual on how to do that. https://t.co/xrDGMXUtSa

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Malcolm Ocean ๎จ€๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ@Malcolm_Oceanโ€ข almost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

usefully working with disagreements requires understanding that different people have different context and that this necessarily informs how they see things your view is as obviously wrong to them as theirs is to you https://t.co/dRgb18LzsB

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanvโ€ข over 6 years ago

whenever we have a disagreement, the first thing I want to understand is: how have your experiences have been different from mine? https://t.co/gNCFnhzCZB

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