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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago

The academy slowly catching up https://t.co/mpEFy99d9s

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

I’ll live read this later but one immediate note: I’d love it if imagination finally got the respect and legitimacy it deserves as the load-bearingest bit of the human mind, Not least of all cuz it’d finally allow us to draw clearer distinctions between imagination & imaginal

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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As-is, people often use the word ā€œImaginalā€ when they’re talking about imagination but don’t want to use the word ā€œimaginationā€ since no one takes it seriously. If people take imagination seriously, we can have a less-cloudy distinction

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

(tbc, I’m as guilty of this as anyone. My work deals with BOTH the imaginal & the imagination, tho I tend to use ā€œImaginalā€ way way more often Part of this is cuz my main focus is definitely the imaginal, but part is because… yeah, hard for folks to respect ā€œimagination-workā€)

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Michael Ashcroft@m_ashcroft• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@the_wilderless okay here is a question what is the difference between 'imagination' and 'the imaginal' in your frame?

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
Replying to @m_ashcroft

@m_ashcroft Well obviously, https://t.co/ADYb4s8STY

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Michael Ashcroft@m_ashcroft• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@the_wilderless ah yes of course, Imagination DOP

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@m_ashcroft More seriously: the imaginal deals with the archetypal realm, the mundus imaginalis. It’s the place where the patterns are kept, where we and the Patterns can mingle—they come through to be embodied, we go over to find and clarify one’s worth embodying/bringing through

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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@m_ashcroft Imagination is a faculty that can serve as a doorway to that place—but is largely a faculty that manages, sorts through, enacts, remixes and clarifies Patterns that are Already Here.

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Michael Ashcroft@m_ashcroft• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@the_wilderless this makes a lot of sense, thanks!

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@m_ashcroft Another useful distinction: imagination is sth done by the ego, the imaginal is a place you can go when you either leave the ego behind or train it to be fine with sitting quietly and not fidgeting or interfering

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@m_ashcroft https://t.co/gExUlM1WzJ

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago

You know what, actually, this might be another decent heuristic for the division between ā€œimaginationā€ and ā€œimaginalā€ in addition to the others: Imagination can be satisfactorily approached and explained in biological terms (if you’re so inclined), The imaginal cannot https://t.co/HmHmIfvL85

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Imagination is not a peripheral feature or an aesthetic concern: it is the core cognitive capacity that grounds all of our sensemaking https://t.co/nEBJ2ZVPPm

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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(I don’t expect this to make it into academic journals anytime soon, but while we’re here I might as well say it: Imagination is also our core spiritual capacity that grounds not only sensemaking, but also our ability to journey and find and discern what matters)

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Mythopoetic aspects of the mind have been neglected for too long, despite being literally the bedrock our minds are built on https://t.co/Ls3Wqr4yDF

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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We’ve taken one strange little islet in our cognition—an unusual pattern based around verbal propositions and logic—and decided that this odd lil protrusion is the main thing worth studying and attending to Baffling choice. https://t.co/1Vwkiui6Cr

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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A ā€œwelcome backlash of embodied and enactive cognitionā€ indeed. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: fuck the linguistic turn https://t.co/VIOYsR8J0x https://t.co/FxjWsiqSGE

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• over 3 years ago

@frabcus Lord, don’t get me *started* on the fucking linguistic turn https://t.co/Yk9h62jv6s

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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So-called ā€œirrationalā€ aspects like the emotional and somatic are undeniably *foundationally beneath* ā€œrationalā€ thinking, It’s a truly irrational act to try and ignore those foundations https://t.co/9CrdOv7Jqt

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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our Imaginative faculties are the hub, the junction, the mycelial network connecting everything else & holding it all together Relegating it to a touchy-feely aesthetic side-concern for poets & dream-readers to deal with is… well it should be too stupid a mistake to occur but, https://t.co/h459cM3zK9

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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There is unfortunately no mistake that is too stupid to occur https://t.co/8uP5tTfz8G

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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The imagination is where •we• happen. It’s where our world comes into being, the entirety of our experience while we’re alive; this is where it knits together. Maybe the ā€œwhat the fuck is waterā€ obviousness of it is why it’s the last major element to be taken seriously https://t.co/GRXWZFiFuN

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Always back at the estuary. I think that across domains, imagination and the imaginal are by definition an in-between interface between things (different *things* in different cases) Without imagination, everything is discrete & lifeless Only imagination enlivens https://t.co/xZvgkkOAp6 https://t.co/vPnvRyVCx2

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago

The imaginal is an estuary where stream and ocean meet and mix, creating a new ecosystem that interacts with both

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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What the fuck is water? https://t.co/2qDFTCJkGB

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Mythopoetic cognition is the engine of mind https://t.co/fRTLApF9Ai

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Mythopoetic cognition is the engine of mind https://t.co/CSd3NeQ4PG

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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MYTHOPOETIC COGNITION IS THE ENGINE OF MIND https://t.co/pR3YFXnFav

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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This is a fairly succinct summary of one lens on my somatic-imaginal work, Aaaand on why the fuck I insist on persistently hyphenating those together into a single concern. We live by image and narrative. Our images and narratives dwell in the soma. https://t.co/hV6hCiSVSF

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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I’d need to talk to this guy face to face to get an embodied sense of what exactly he means here, But my (possibly projected) sense is that the imagination is often approached outside-in when it should proceed from the inside outward, Which, yes, useful framing https://t.co/jZhpqjUeWX

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Hmmm this feels like a rich question https://t.co/scGPL7ynoy

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Estuary again: imagination is where the map becomes the territory, and the territory is woven into the map. Mythopoetic mind *is* humans native territory. And this territory is also our map of further territories. https://t.co/Q0bkGia5xu

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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😷 an object-world of impersonal laws 🤩 a living world of intention and story https://t.co/9br6kNd4UR

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Imagination is not the type of thing many peoples ideas of mind can get a grip on, Mythopoetic cognition doesn’t just point at something, or refer to it, Imagination is *imperative*, enactive, it makes demands on us to *do* and *be* rather than to passively observe and refer https://t.co/xRAXK3tBbM

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Yet another reason imagination and the mythopoetic may be more comfortable to ignore and delegitimize— Language requires nothing of us but to say, hear, refer to things. Words are cheap. Imagination is decidedly not. Mythic living *costs* us, it *makes demands* of us

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Much better to ignore that sort of thing entirely. Who’s going to approve my grants or my tenure applications if I start taking the inner worlds demands seriously?? No no, much better to stay in the verbal rational logical zone, keep it nice and discrete from silly imaginings.

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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This whole rush to ground imagination entirely in materialism and biology is frustrating but very much expected, Have at it yall, do what you gotta do to build cultural acceptance, I’ll be waiting here when people start to notice there’s more and that it’s calling them https://t.co/BuHakfDmsD

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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storytelling, image making, song, dance, and so on are some of the earliest and continually powerful forms of knowledge. An epistemology that cannot recognize this has failed to understand the biological mind. https://t.co/EdiHiYaSkz

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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You know what, actually, this might be another decent heuristic for the division between ā€œimaginationā€ and ā€œimaginalā€ in addition to the others: Imagination can be satisfactorily approached and explained in biological terms (if you’re so inclined), The imaginal cannot https://t.co/HmHmIfvL85

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago

@m_ashcroft Imagination is a faculty that can serve as a doorway to that place—but is largely a faculty that manages, sorts through, enacts, remixes and clarifies Patterns that are Already Here.

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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@CapacitiesHQ save #unsorted

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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A factual description of the world comes after our embodied imaginative interaction with the social world https://t.co/hsuewcWRbb

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Acknowledging the imaginative construction of a given moment doesn’t make us untrustworthy or flighty or touchy freely, But denying that construction does leave us detached, disembodied, denying basic levels of our being https://t.co/hDMUdO2uTy

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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I am both totally on board w a taxonomy project, and totally sure I’m gonna hate whatever taxonomies they land on https://t.co/fEhjjZ12Kb

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Prolly gonna leave off here, cuz the paper is leaving territory That’s particularly relevant to me, but Idk I’m not so sure that getting academics to pull together a taxonomy is going to be *better* than folk taxonomies, rather than worse https://t.co/3NzTa7NXqy

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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Also, and this is a minor quibble, and I get the dynamics behind it but, There’s a bit of a trap happening here with ā€œimagination is core and underlies logical and linguistic aspects of experienceā€ leading to ā€œlet’s codify logical linguistic descriptions of imaginationā€

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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I get that it’s necessary for him and his job and his field and building legitimacy within the academy and so on for this subject, And I get that there are many aspects of imagination that will be aided by being better-understood on these levels,

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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But there are definite traps and tradeoffs involved in essentially forcing imagination to play by academic logic’s rules. Feels v much like a captive dolphin situation

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Tyler Alterman@TylerAlterman• about 3 years ago
Replying to @the_wilderless

@the_wilderless Have you read the Helper and His Hero?

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• about 3 years ago
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@TylerAlterman Nope, this’n? https://t.co/gCjWyXluCV

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