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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago

ok and i say this as someone who has no interest in eating bugs this is nonsense first of all ffs its pronounced "kai-tin". chitin with a χ second this paper is not saying eating chitin causes cancer, its saying that a protein that binds to chiton happens to https://t.co/MrnnXCE5BN https://t.co/AW0kjhKCw9

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

and only that it MAYBE happens to the relationship is incredibly complex heres some additional reading. good luck making sense of the causal chain https://t.co/rKF980qghq

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

might it be bad for you to ingest lots of chitin? maybe. it certainly seems to induce an immune response, and the reasons for this are clear; chitin isnt produced endogenously in humans and so if some is present, maybe thats a good reason to suspect a fungal infection or parasite

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

or for example. breathing in dust mite carcasses is pretty bad in that it can maybe induce asthma so maybe think about what kind of environment you live in compared to your ancestors with respect to environmental dust ha ha

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

but just because breathing in fragments and getting it in your lungs induces an undesirable immune response doesnt mean that eating it will. like. your gut is basically made to devastate whatever awful shit you put into it

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

and lets be clear there is a LOT of fucking chitin in the world. its second only to "wood" in abundance in the class of "shit various living things are made out of" https://t.co/1CjfYH9UEM

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

is it possible eating chitin is unhealthful for some or most people? sure its not crazy to me but your not gonna find out from a dude who makes videos talking about it without even having passing familiarity with the greek and latin roots of various biopolymers the end

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

lmao i had not been aware of this suspicions from @duckinfantry https://t.co/TNm06uudze

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

also https://t.co/6HWZCYAiRX

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot Yep. Huge difference between "fungal infections invading blood and organs via impaired barrier funciton trigger immune respones via chiten detection" and "if you eat this, you get sick".All proteins are potential allergens, better not eat proteins. /shttps://t.co/HU4eu5q164

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8/19/2022
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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot I am a strong proponent of cricket flour as a protien source myself, but I also believe it is idiotic for us to be dumping in so much so fast in our "save the planet" sustainability / cost savings moral panic.

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8/19/2022
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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot Chitin ferments into butyrate in the gut. Too much butyrate can be really bad because it makes mucus and can drive dysbiosis. I say this knowing that I personally eat about 300% more sources of butyrate than most people to compensate for poor mucus problems tied to crohn's.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot I literally was growing crickets to eat myself and I still think this fad is a bad thing. But not because of the reasons they state.We should be eating a balance of fibers in our diet to prevent any one pathogenic strain from getting a foot hold by way of excess SCFAs.

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8/19/2022
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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot It's also only a matter of time before some kind of fungus learns to eat the damn stuff thru horizontal gene transfer. Then we'll all be fucked.https://t.co/Mi4GHcMFmI

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 4 years ago

"Unsurprisingly, chitin is quite popular in the food industry. Apart from consumption, the biopolymer is a fantastic emulsifier and stabilizer in products. Due to being antifungal, chitin also acts as a perfect edible preservation agent."https://t.co/xlc8JTOQos

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
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@eigenrobot Alternatively, they can just eat some natto and not worry about it https://t.co/l0RyQF3wjD

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 4 years ago

Did you know that Bacillus subtilis natto produces chitinases."An enzyme that breaks chitin polysaccharide down into smaller pieces, called chitin-oligosaccharides." and might be a way to fight fungus infections as a result?https://t.co/5WJOgxSPF6https://t.co/kF44ftKSnq

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 1 year ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot I like this guy's stance. I don't necessarily agree, but it does seem to fit a lot of datapoints that I am also looking at tin this space. In the middle of looking up commercial release dates of chitosan formulations for farmers.https://t.co/eko6DGogrp

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 1 year ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot If @PaulCrewther is even halfway right, (and I think he is, despite his feed being riddled with conspiracy theory)... It being sprayed on food seems like a really bad idea.We need open source spectrometers that can detect it. https://t.co/IBaI1ir8Bg https://t.co/DVaEeCQJKr

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 1 year ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot @PaulCrewther This stuff wouldn't be on the food label if its used as a spray. So the only way to quantize it effectively is to do wide spread sampling.https://t.co/nxbDWdJDdW

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UltimApe@ultimape• over 4 years ago

I think I spend most of my time trying ot figure out how to make cheap instruments than actually doing anything useful with my life.https://t.co/xrz1G3hoDihttps://t.co/56S8g9xOgJ

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 1 year ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot @PaulCrewther Checking if this stuff is driving a hidden allergen in the population would be worth while.Sampling diet and then also measuring blood levels of chitin related enzyme expression would be useful for epidimology of a whole host of disease.https://t.co/jOaotoZjPI

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 1 year ago

@PaulCrewther I was curious about this too. It's because it's a biomarker for a whole host of diseases associated with inflammatory conditions. https://t.co/rxwf7oGRCMThe common denominator that shows up is these disorders all have fungal infection risk; chitin in the cell walls of a fungus. https://t.co/H9NLuJPpMp

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UltimApe@ultimape• 7 months ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot @PaulCrewther Maggot cheese sounds tasty.https://t.co/ATTGgPlrem

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @eigenrobot

@eigenrobot @duckinfantry I'm trying to figure out how to get gut bacteria in my stomach to unlock the nitrong in urea (from fat) and transform it into protien. This is something that hibernating animals do. My instinct here is that nitrogen being useful depends on stuff like this going on to work well.

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UltimApe@ultimape• about 3 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@eigenrobot @duckinfantry This is a really neat insight tho. The idea that protein assays are failed proxy for what may actually be going on is powerful.

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