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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago

was talking to @nibrasibn last week and she remarked that "shadow work" as a term implies a very specific aesthetic of what the practice ought to feel like, this masculine warrior doing-battle-with-one's-demons vibe, and that it doesn't have to feel like that at all

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

"shadow" suggests the practice ought to be scary and "work" suggests the practice ought to be effortful. but nibras said something i said suggested to her that "shadow work" could be more pleasant and effortless, just a calm acceptance of everything that arises in experience

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

so "shadow work" is another example of a concept with a frustrating marketing problem like "self-love", where in theory it refers to a broad universal phenomenon but the specific words suggest a much more specific aesthetic https://t.co/cww3lT1AXj

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago

“self-love” has this frustrating marketing problem a lot of other things also have, that while in some sense it ought to refer to this broad universal thing, in practice it’s read as having an extremely narrow and specific “love and light” aesthetic many people don’t relate to

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

@the_wilderless talked in his intro imaginal workshop about "views of imaginal practice" - e.g. do you view it as manipulating your own mind, as healing your wounds, as contacting spirits and gods, as an exercise in manifestation, etc. https://t.co/dYfrGJPwSj

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Rudra Dakini@the_wilderless• over 3 years ago

1 spot left on this introductory imaginal workshop, dm me if you want to be added to the list https://t.co/6Rf2lJZq9F

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

these quite different views have quite different aesthetics, will be attractive to quite different people, and perhaps (although i wouldn't know) have quite different effects; river emphasized the importance of finding one you vibe with, and i've been thinking about that broadly

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

one could talk, for example, of views of meditation, views of shadow work, views of therapy; in my own personal view of things these are actually all themselves views of a more fundamental basic practice

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

it's funny for me to think about how specific the implications of using specific words are because in mathematical training you are taught to cleanly separate syntax and semantics; you learn that there is a way that mathematical entities work independent of what you call them

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

so i feel like my relationship to language has for a long time been to automatically distinguish the finger pointing at the moon from the moon, so to speak; once you know where the moon is you don't need the finger anymore but for *communication* the finger is still paramount

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

also from mathematical training my inclination is to make terminology as consistent as possible so people know when they're talking about the same thing; but in the view of views perhaps one ought to let a thousand views bloom instead, for maximum reach

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
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@meditationstuff talks at various points in his book about how a fully general practice needs to be able to "eat itself"; part of what i think this means is that you need to be able to reconceptualize and re-view practice in your own terms https://t.co/oE2a2iNNQa https://t.co/Tg4BRhraV2

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

when you meditate are you viewing it as quieting the mind? strengthening mental muscles? getting in touch with god? mark's book's view is that "meditation is concrete problem solving" which is quite unusual afaict but which i happen to love https://t.co/yGx5E8FZyy https://t.co/fNF4YXdA74

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

one of the things that most draws me to mark's view of meditation is the sense of freedom i see in it. every possible motion the bodymind is capable of is in play. it's so much more than following the breath. improvisation with one's entire instrument https://t.co/279Ux8VTNp

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago

meditation does not have to involve sitting down, you do not have to be still, you do not have to be quiet, you do not have to be alone, you do not have to be in a group, you do not have to be inside, you do not have to control your thoughts, you do not have to control anything

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
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this is all related to the point i try to make in my twitter bio https://t.co/QTThNY3PyA

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

"you have to solve for aesthetic resonance" https://t.co/uEDjnDoijQ

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 3 years ago

this can be almost offensive to thinky mcthoughtbois but I do think it’s straightforwardly true that past a certain minimum threshold of idea/audience fit, you have to solve for aesthetic resonance

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 3 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

@QiaochuYuan mark’s stuff keeps blowing me away, who is this man

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharth• over 3 years ago
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@QiaochuYuan also thank you for consistently posting from it, bc i haven’t been reading it

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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 3 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @QiaochuYuan many such cases 🔥♥️💪

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

@natural_hazard @AskYatharth that’s exactly why i keep posting relevant excerpts, although i screwed up the link to the actual doc, oops

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QC@QiaochuYuan• over 3 years ago
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whoops, messed up the link to mark’s stuff, here it is: https://t.co/Ia5fDo2KfS

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