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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago

the SAT does not have to be fair test for it to be a useful test as long as you’re getting more qualified applications than you need, it’s okay to have false negatives the SAT is prefiltering, so you can run a more rigorous, expensive review for the remaining

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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this doesn’t make the SAT okay, it just makes it useful from the POV of popular enough colleges

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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same with leetcode and hiring programmers if you have more good enough applicants than you need, and actually assessing skill is expensive, prefiltering by data structures interviews is fine

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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both the SAT and leetcode measure “experience with SAT and leetcode” more directly than anything else so you select for “smart enough applicants, who are also suck-ups enough to practice leetcode/SAT” (PERFECT employees)

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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and you might lose “smart enough applicants, who didn’t bother practicising leetcode even though it would get them a job” (you can afford to lose those)

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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the fact is you need employees who will get any job done, not just theoretically because they’re smart enough, but even when it involves dumb grunt work as for the ones unwilling to do that, they can go be entreprenurial or something

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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no leetcode to be a founder. you get to run your interviews make sure you’re competent enough to network, raise, hire etc. though

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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leetcode = intelligence * experience grinding leetcode this is why people complain. it doesn’t measure intelligence directly. it leaves behind intelligent people who don’t give a shit about grinding an unrealistic skill

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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but it works out fine, because /once you set it as the hiring criteria/, then everyone will end up pushing “experience” high enough that “leetcode” ~ intelligence again

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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“experience” becomes ~ willingness to spend time grinding so leetcode = intelligence * willingness to grind that’s a pretty good way to hire employees! possibly better than just “intelligence” itself

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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same with colleges: if you want students to have a high GPA, succeed in society, you want them to accept grinding at class homework, etc. unless you’re trying to get the special feather types, that won’t grind, but just do cool things (thiel fellowship, etc)

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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the cost of this system is borne by the applicants who have to grind to prove themselves but it’s not borne by employers and colleges; in fact, it’s better, to see who will and can bear it

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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title: why SAT/leetcode is fine for colleges & employers actually

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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from the POV of a college not interested in societal fairness, but just . . . can this kid get 4.0 GPAs, the best indicator is whether than could already get high scores on the SAT, whether because they were rich, had tutoring, whatever—all that is likely to continue to apply

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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distilled into one tweet: the SAT and leetcode end up being remarkably good proxies for the actual work enviroment, which is intelligence + willingness to grind at potentially dumb things if rewarded

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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ik ik im just rediscovering the old postrat truths that schools are remarkably well designed to produce employees, just needed to write it all out

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago
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nuance: this DOES NOT mean selecting for employees/students with low initiative if your system values students who’ve shown initiatives, the grinders will start showing you initiative. started non-profit, started 2 clubs, etc. https://t.co/55F4gzVO07

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yatharth ༺༒༻@AskYatharthover 3 years ago

people say things like ^ kinda smugly. like “those people” who are willing to grind are dumb or don’t have initiative like “you” that’s not true, they can have a ton of initiative, do lots of side projects, start clubs, etc. be remarkably competent in every way

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