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(first time looking up the details of his life) Looks like Krishnamurti not only said (I’m assuming + paraphrasing) “fuck you guys and fuck this shit”, looks like he went on further to say “fuck all cloistered groups of any kind everywhere forever” 😂 https://t.co/GWiejuGjkc https://t.co/cRy00K4gu2
amusingly Martin Luther is maybe THE all time GOAT of "fuck you guys and fuck this shit", right? are Augustinians Catholic? probably must've been, since Protestantism didn't really exist before Luther? Right...? https://t.co/tteblcrQiB
this is a useful eg to clarify what I'm not talking about – a group of siblings, or friends, etc don't count. einstein hanging out at max planck's house doesn't count. I'm using Cloistered Group as a euphemism for Cult here https://t.co/CJrXIoP3U6
started his own, right? he didn't join a Cloistered Group. if anything you could maybe argue he left one https://t.co/l1WYDRww0f
I think it's very important to distinguish between a Scene (welcoming, open, tolerant, encouraging, people doing their own thing) and a Cult and/or Cloistered Group (insular, coercive, there's some Great Leader, intolerant of criticism or deviation from The Plan)
Mill is a "the family is the cloister" eg – which I think is ~somewhat~ limits the damage still, suicidal & depressed at 20, I wonder why 🤔 > asked himself whether the creation of a just society would actually make him happy. His heart answered "no" https://t.co/ivvaErfzRs https://t.co/GMmTNVOjsn
ok I'll now point at the thing that got me thinking about this so there's a group of people who tried to do a thing where you get "highly moldable young people" to "self-transform into Elon Musks" and I want to make the case that this is IMPOSSIBLE https://t.co/hSwjqbT2GY https://t.co/ozMQhjzN33
regardless of what you think abt Elon he did not join such a group any "highly moldable young person" who joins a group hoping to become Elon (or whatever outlier you want – say, Prince, or Bob Dylan) will, imho, NEVER succeed bc outliers are the opposite of "highly moldable"
just imagine Elon or Steve Jobs or Jeff Bezos (or Dylan, or Prince, or Gandhi, whoever you consider an outlier-tier hyperachiever) "sitting in many meetings in which (their) progress as a “self-debugger” was analyzed or diagnosed." it's the funniest fucking idea to me i'm sorry
i've done lots of reading abt outsized accomplishment over the years – these people do have tutors, mentors, do apprenticeships, etc. but I think almost invariably the thing is that they have a strong inner fire, taste, a sense of sovereignty/autonomy, a refusal to be boxed in
trying to create an institute to produce Jungians is a strange thing to do if you consider for a single minute how Jung himself was not produced in an institute! https://t.co/FBMcMy5nxH
@visakanv Looking at my classmates, the rate of entrepreneurs among business school graduates is probably a lot higher than anywhere else, at least higher than any other secondary degree. It's not the main goal of an MBA, but it certainly doesn't *prevent* entrepreneurship.
@visakanv Mason has a thread that resonates with yours but which I also find subtly amusing because it's framing the thing as "introspecting" which is your book title what's your best pitch for what introspecting will get us, Visa, if not Muskdom? https://t.co/haX3gwDHe5
@Malcolm_Ocean many different directions this can go, but basically part of why the book has been taking so long is that I have been trying to reform the idea of what is popularly associated with introspection. I'm kind of seriously-ish considering a change of title
@Malcolm_Ocean a thing I repeat throughout the book is that the point of introspection is to guide you to action I warn at the outset and several times throughout not to fixate but if people want to do that, they will do that, and there's not much you can do to stop them
@Malcolm_Ocean maybe: I think what Elon seems to have, that the more escapist "rat/adjacent introspectors" don't seem to have, is a respect for his own taste. you could maybe also call this courage. cook vs chef, in waitbutwhy terms
@visakanv I know a bunch of people who I believe have huge but stunted potential. What's your take on such people? Can they be unstunted? I could totally imagine a story where a Jobs-like person goes on some retreat that unblocks something critical
@visakanv you are reading Krishnamurthi's view right, and if you know how he got raised in more detail, shit's off the hook, he was groomed to be a totem https://t.co/4iv4RCWeKw
@visakanv https://t.co/6wCkbx38hf
@visakanv And what do you think cutting-edge academic fields are? https://t.co/xoodBCdBW4
@Ben_Reinhardt do you not have much familiarity with cults? the critical distinction is coercion IMO. cults isolate you, punish you for criticizing or daring to leave https://t.co/MVy8qvMbOs
@visakanv https://t.co/p50BYcurOe