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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

I suspect what you are seeing is diabetes / racial health disparities, like diabetes rates, asthma https://t.co/L0kZcHY5ue or COPD, and likely has little to do with vaccine rates.Thread 1/n https://t.co/7lhWTwld1o

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

It correlates with income somewhat according to this 2010 map https://t.co/ZieYXxXy37and matches earlier death rates.https://t.co/Gh3O7wLWts

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Framing this as a vaccine only thing is myopic. It certain matters, but there is a lot more going on with the death rates and it would be disingenuous to point the finger at the vaccines as the soul differentiating factor without viewing changes as over time.

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I'm pointing this out because I am uncomfortable with how quickly poverty and race are wiped under the rug to fit the prevailing vaccine narrative. There is certainly seems to be a problem with vaccines being administered uneven with respect to someone's risk.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

You can view some recent Chicago heath and demographic data here https://t.co/KsxlZ6YK30

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

That is almost 200 pages of complex history and demographic data. Page 32 has an age-adjusted all-cause mortality chart to use as a baseline, (tho I am suspicious at how 'age-adjusted' might be biasing things a bit).

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If you can code, the city of Chicago also has an open API https://t.co/FtRPeBGFFG

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

FYI, one of the stronger correlations you can make is with kidney failure. It seems to be a feature that shows up among the worst cases of covid, and it is also something that is weakened with diabetes ("diabetic nephropathy"). https://t.co/MFPPdMggexhttps://t.co/WOIt3v6HDJ

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago

"Kidney damage from diabetes is called diabetic nephropathy. It begins long before you have symptoms."https://t.co/vnazgluARj

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

So it is weird to me to see the administration of vaccines to splay out among what seems to be high-wealth low-risk communities more than those who are showing a need.What could be going on here?

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

The obvious knee jerk answer is that it's rich white older people getting vaccinated first because of better healthcare access. That is probably part of the issue. But I am not one to trust my knee jerk reaction.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Some really uncomfortable shit shows up when you research the history of vaccines. (see next 4 tweets)

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/IlGIcUdw4N

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/pJVexnbU4k

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/bXWOlYxZuV

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

https://t.co/zlhIz8dXpY

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I come from Vermont and am a cis white male with a mostly mixed heritage, so I can't really speak for others well. But I can say that I see a lot of narratives floating around on this space, and they all bother me.

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

There is an underlying health issue that I'm worried about myself, lots of people are increasing their intake of vitamin C, but among the at risk population with kidney issues, this is problematic. https://t.co/A8IBOvVuljBut I am not a doctor.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Vermont is inherently low density, and covid thankfully has been dealt with well here. We shut down early and our demographic skews heavily toward the at-risk age bracket.But I live with a my diabetic type-II girlfriend who's got kidney problems, & her mom (nearing retirement).

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

We also live in one of the more densely packed (and impoverished) areas of Vermont. Chicago isn't the only place that seem to have that weird vaccination and health disparity pattern.

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

And while we don't have the same level of that weird race disparity issue, we do have a significant population of people in poverty who face similar 'diseases of poverty'. It pains me greatly to think about my childhood friend suffering right now. https://t.co/HHaS14luHB

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

Did you know that all my investigations around kidney failure in diabetes also applies to schizophrenia?https://t.co/sryKzBpUdK

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

There is something terribly wrong with how we are doling out vaccines here in the states. One of the issues seems to be that there isn't enough money?https://t.co/defQjIMcPT

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I mention my situation because so many of the narratives I see floating around are based on projecting our own personal worldview into other areas. This is something I specifically set out to avoid b/c I know I am an isolated autistic computer nerd. My favorite Feynman quote: https://t.co/uIodpMW2Ac

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I do this "fool yourself" thing all the time. Most of my epiphanies have been in areas where I originally had another, often dogmatic, point of view.I've learned being explicit in my assumptions helps surface them and allow me (and others) to point out things we overlook.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Earlier today I edited my thinking a bit after realizing the Egyptian Deity we know as a hippo (Taweret) is likely based on an assumption. Undermining this built up idea will put me at odds with Egyptologists. But I will route it out to test if I am right. https://t.co/z3uaioGd0h

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

hippopotamus?This is a fucking bear! https://t.co/3cqb6zJyiW

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I am suspicions of layman's theories of causality being drawn from narratively biased choropleths (funny colored maps). That is something that I spend a lot of time thinking about - how easy it is too fool myself by projecting bias when reading a map. https://t.co/mcbBYcP5So

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

In an older thread (since deleted due to fear), I wrote about how a survey study, done with Amazon Turk participants, used a google trends map which eventually lead to a propaganda driven narrative around Trump and masculinity.https://t.co/Qpidj1tSpl

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Someone who took screenshots framed it well."hey may have confused 'people seeking to alleviate diabetes symptoms' with 'insecurity about masculinity'."https://t.co/s0ojr72rxR

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

(posting pictures to preserve them) https://t.co/NpapwYZ8aa

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2/22/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If the thread still existed, I would reinforce my narrative there. I later found a drug that both causes hair loss and impotence! These kinds of causal associations aren't visible in kinds of data they used. They were basically paid to lie to themselves.https://t.co/hortNEUlLL

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 5 years ago

Been exploring a hair loss drug that seems to remove a bunch of Testosterone out of the system and can cause weird mental issues and impotence. The idea that forms of Testosterone is an immune regulator has put a lot of weird ideas into perspective. https://t.co/aq29yPvpdt

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

My own interest there is most of my mom's side of the family have thin hair, and both my ex wife and current GF have PCOS. I found out that I have PCOS genes. It seems PCOS (a risk factor for diabetes type II) and hair loss correlate strongly.https://t.co/KeHuIbcUA2

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 5 years ago

@fire__exit There's a long history of hair care being an issue that many outsiders don't even think about.https://t.co/bnyHgJ20Lc

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

More than that, it seem to be (yet another) issue that is under diagnosed among people of color. https://t.co/556EE9C3zTThese facts are overlooked when we see these surface level narratives. They appeal to your sensibilities because you don't know what you don't know. 😰

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

What do I do when I see tweets in my timeline that use maps, statistics, and frame the discussion around a popular zeitgeist? I spend time to question them before I retweet.Lest I reinforce a narrative I didn't even realize was being spread.https://t.co/Pxktzl9wBh

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 9 years ago

“Humans are storytelling monkeys trying to control each other with emotion-activating mind-viruses.” — @naval https://t.co/Bac8BJGXra

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

On large, @ChiVaxBot looks good. From where I'm standing they seem to be attempting to do at least two things:1) Creating evidence about inequality to force leaders to act2) Creating a discussion space to encourage medically disenfranchised PoC to take & get the vaccine.👏

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If we trust these numbers, I think we can assume it's safe.https://t.co/zttQFErP2eBut until enough trusted people among a particularly weary community venture out to try it, and signal boost to their communities that it's safe, we won't see adoption. https://t.co/RWkYHZjNwP https://t.co/L78XPLSuog

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 5 years ago

The great meme war of 2020 was acting as a dueling contagion with the great https://t.co/TmVafH0MHuOnly memes can save us now. Virus eating virus.https://t.co/q3xhmcoa1O

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

“You can’t really blame parents of color for saying ‘You know what, I’m not ready to re-engage with the system yet,’ [...] All of this mistrust is really well earned.”https://t.co/arlSh09fQH

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Any bets on if we'll be using carrot or sticks to encourage more vaccination?

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4/28/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"We all want to put this behind us and getting people vaccinated is the way to do this, so I don’t think of it as a bribe"https://t.co/ydplsYhbKpReally? This isn't going to backfire at all....

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4/28/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"After decades of distrust, on top of centuries of genocide, now they appear and say, ‘Here, you have to take this!‘"https://t.co/LWiiDPgjt0

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

That thing in game design where if you frame something as a reward, you don't get people upset by loss aversion.https://t.co/arX0kJyClj

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4/28/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Carrot & Stick? Both are just veil'd ways to get you to do what the policy makers want.> Implying an illusion of choice.https://t.co/dyx9w94kCG

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4/28/2021
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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Whelp."The children who have died of covid-19 are, even more than among adults, disproportionately children of color — about three-quarters of those who’ve succumbed to covid so far, according to CDC data." [Feb 21, 2021]https://t.co/K6fbXW2qThhttps://t.co/rqNnNZadEc

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

“You can’t really blame parents of color for saying ‘You know what, I’m not ready to re-engage with the system yet,’ [...] All of this mistrust is really well earned.”https://t.co/arlSh09fQH

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

If one of the symptoms of trouble breathing to look for is pale skin and blue lips... Are these symptoms harder to detect with darker skin?probably https://t.co/xmXE4wNCrZI hate this.https://t.co/2YWVm9k9fp

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

You think not being able to have a soap dispenser detect the color of your skin is bad, wait till you hear how often doctors don't realize skin color gives misleading readings in SPO2 measurements.https://t.co/aqxj6HJaTf

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

The guidelines listed for "when to seek help" on this publication about Brazilian's having high rates of childhood deaths are idiotic for a population of people with large swaths of dark skin.https://t.co/OcFW5iL53M https://t.co/UHlBIgfhZc

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Brazil is getting hammered :(diabetes rates doi 10.1186/s12963-020-00209-0Vitamin D deficiency doi 10.1080/10408398.2018.1437711map of covid spread fromdoi 10.1126/science.abh1558 ICU beds fromhttps://t.co/bvtjBq0Qa5 https://t.co/kOp2wMCV6t

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Have any of the vaccine efficacy and safety trials been done for children yet? I know there was one for 12-15 released in April for Pfizer, https://t.co/dd8J53xDNJ but the immune system shifts during puberty. https://t.co/MPJiLa27pH that suggests weirdness.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

The answer was "no". We have not completed safety and efficacy trials for children (<12) for the vaccines available in the USA.https://t.co/jcIzO8C3XS

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

It looks like vaccines for younger children (<12) started being tested in February and march."Immunizing children will help schools to reopen as well as help to end the pandemic"https://t.co/GIo6zhdSjp https://t.co/lDAY07Q01y

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I am not familiar with situation in brazil regarding school closings or child rearing norms.Extrapolating from USA's data would be folly; "we don’t actually understand the natural history of transmission in children, because we mitigate against it"https://t.co/XLo95qVAbO

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago

A risk averse society where we don't have a good handle on the situation because "we don’t actually understand the natural history of transmission in children, because we mitigate against it"https://t.co/Ar4wbJuDqB

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

USA's CDC reports about 490 deaths for children, with 140 being between 0-4 years old.That bbc article on brazil says 518 have died less than one year old.https://t.co/VbHW8BdtwQ https://t.co/SqAbzy0l3x

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago

These numbers roughly correspond with those within the CDC's dashboard.https://t.co/NKE6yD29Kf https://t.co/KlqwUhLd7O

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

According to https://t.co/qC8D6XCS4r the proportion of the population <14 year old is lower in brazil. https://t.co/Qzm9EoDSxH

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Death statistics are harrowing :(The levels of childhood deaths are significantly out of whack compared to USA's rates.I wonder what is causing it to be so high.https://t.co/TLbSAI3Khs https://t.co/bFXoKWURca

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

So for naïve comparisons of death rates, infection rates, and proportion of population <14, we ought to expect brazil to have fewer childhood deaths.That this is not the case suggests a structural abnormality is happening to lead to higher numbers.I don't know what that is.

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

One possible answer is the vaccines being used over their might simply suck re: contagion?"Butantan stressed that the vaccine is 78% effective in preventing mild cases that needed treatment and 100% effective in staving off moderate to serious cases."https://t.co/OYge5wuygT

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

I would need to find how many deaths are from before the emergency authorizations back in January.https://t.co/1HA5S3qtev

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

The flip side of this is in Ontario, Canada, there has been only one reported death. According to https://t.co/cw6TxEodX7 https://t.co/FUXlwdneqp

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

"country-wide level, children and youth have made up nearly 20 per cent of COVID-19 cases but less than two per cent of hospitalizations, and very few of the country's roughly 25,000 deaths over the course of the pandemic — eight in total." [Apr 29, 2021]https://t.co/XPt7Qtankr

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

Are Canadian's simply healthier? Is there something related to latitude going on? Maybe it's simply that canada is less densely connected and fewer people?1/3 Canadians may have diabetes, and vitamin D is fairly low, so it can't be the main factor.https://t.co/Gpj6ZNDEKP

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 4 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

*looks at pesticide and herbicide use in brazil*oh.

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UltimApe@ultimape11 months ago
Replying to @ultimape

Good to know that living in a certain census tract in chicago can be correlated with GPS phone data to track populations of people by race. I wonder if that is being used in other ways. That sounds like a standard practice. https://t.co/I2YCTEyQWp

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eigenrobot@eigenrobot11 months ago

@ibramxk the paper does none of the things it claims to in the first image. it's philosophically barren. it is puerile. it is embarrassing. i am astonished that seven authors and an editor were necessary to produce it, and that they were willing to use what i assume are their real names https://t.co/8uahPthQDd

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UltimApe@ultimape11 months ago
Replying to @ultimape

Amazing what you can do with a little bit of data.https://t.co/6tG5hfBFAl

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 3 years ago

Hey, if we're going to spy on everyone using cellphone data, at least we can use it to map and monitor flows of people across the nation to guess at stochastic models of disease spread.https://t.co/eOLuV2yz9Z

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