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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 4 years ago

Who gets to decide? Who gets to decide who gets to decide?

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1/9/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

In what language do we negotiate? In what language do we negotiate what language to conduct our negotiation in?

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1/9/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

Shall we take this action? Shall we vote on whether to take this action? Shall we vote on whether to vote on whether to take this action? Shall we vote on whether this vote needs 50% or 60% to pass? Shall we vote on what to do if we can't decide whether or not to vote?

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1/9/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

How do we answer the question? How do we answer the question of how do we answer the question?

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1/11/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/0XVhPse00h

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 6 years ago

How do we make decisions while we don't know the answer to this question?

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2/18/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

What are the rules? What are the rules for changing the rules? What are the rules for interpreting the rules? What are the rules for who the rules apply to? What are the rules for what happens when someone doesn't agree to the rules?

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8/8/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

Shall we agree to disagree, or would it be best for both of us if we didn't even agree on that?

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8/17/2021
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

how do we reconcile? how do we reconcile that we can't seem to reconcile? how do I reconcile that you can't seem to reconcile that we can't seem to reconcile? https://t.co/65YJkavEu0

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5/15/2022
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/781YSy5QnK

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7/18/2022
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/PXPGNrCo2E

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 3 years ago

are we goodharting? how would we know if we were goodharting? how can we measure the extent to which we're goodharting? how can we optimize for as little goodharting as possible? how can we ensure that our goodhart-minimization doesn't goodhart?

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7/26/2022
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/EgnAhMTLMb

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 3 years ago

"he did something wrong"  "no, you're scapegoating him" "no, *you're* trying to scapegoat *me*, by claiming I'm scapegoating him"  "no, you're doing that to *me*, by claiming my calling out your scapegoating is scapegoating" ×∞  ×∞

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7/28/2022
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

click through for this one: https://t.co/l0647IMQoz

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanalmost 3 years ago

the meta-level assumptions about how cultures need to interoperate that everyone would converge on if they were trying to converge on... https://t.co/HxEtWswZ0L

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10/11/2022
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 2 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

same koan https://t.co/JfVUZRM6L1

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 2 years ago

we agree to behave in thus and such a way, for the duration of the container (circling, whatever) what is our agreement for how we behave when the bell goes off and the container ends?

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2/11/2023
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 1 year ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/4pAQxhSwfZ

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 1 year ago

it's going to be hard for us to agree on anything while we don't agree on what agreement means

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3/20/2024
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 1 year ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/E4mgvxLUmq

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 1 year ago

you won't negotiate the way I want to negotiate I won't negotiate the way you want to negotiate how do we negotiate a new way to negotiate?

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6/27/2024
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 2 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

@Malcolm_Ocean have we ever talked about that game where the rules let you change the rules?

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2/23/2023
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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanabout 4 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

https://t.co/W7jf1sgHfH

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8/7/2021
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthabout 3 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

@Malcolm_Ocean The way these things usually work is someone proposes something, and if enough people are willing to go along with it, it becomes the thing.

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7/29/2022
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RomeoStevens@RomeoStevens76about 3 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@AskYatharth @Malcolm_Ocean who gets to propose things?

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7/29/2022
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthabout 3 years ago
Replying to @RomeoStevens76

@RomeoStevens76 @Malcolm_Ocean the person who does. that’s the crazy part https://t.co/x14usWkg5t

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 3 years ago

something weird about reality is “whoever shows up gets to make the decisions” https://t.co/SOVvEYPxHw

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7/29/2022
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthabout 3 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@RomeoStevens76 @Malcolm_Ocean people face different costs for doing so. people will be differently listened to. if you are in the social justice route, you can go down that path

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7/29/2022
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthabout 3 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@RomeoStevens76 @Malcolm_Ocean but what’s beautiful is this is all still a descriptive theory. of how collective decision-making happens. it’s describing the whole thing including the paradox

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7/29/2022
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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthabout 3 years ago
Replying to @AskYatharth

@RomeoStevens76 @Malcolm_Ocean there’s a game called Nomic that makes this beautifully clear https://t.co/3IbW9HiNYB

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yatharth in asheville@AskYatharthover 3 years ago

in the philosophical introduction, it discusses the paradox of self-amendment can any rule be truly immutable? if the collective just... decides to overturn the rule, is it any longer a rule? https://t.co/Bt045wFSG5 https://t.co/9cbPeQXZg9

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7/29/2022