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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@ultimape anything on autism and sensitivity to electromagnetic fields?

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @JimmyRis

@JimmyRis I think it's immune driven sound sensitivity. Been exploring the cochlear area (https://t.co/DikQ1pPSAo) and serotonin lately as that might be the key. https://t.co/ohPIpvF8Xs

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 5 years ago

@Grimhood @NgoloTesla My hair stands on end when someone turns on microwave in the house. Also get fear responses from household electrical motors kicking in that I find goes away if feet aren't touching the ground. Tested it for EMF & it seems 100% acoustic.Truck engines idle at similar sound freq.

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@ultimape This has me thinking about vibes and how much of social behavior is learned (incl. unconsciously learned by neurotypical) and how much might be attunement to whatever vibes are

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @JimmyRis

@ultimape https://t.co/7tpZO31Rod

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @JimmyRis

@JimmyRis I learned how to detect where sounds were coming from by using a "sensory saccade" pattern and positioning my feet in a certain way. I'm hoping to prove this kind of thing is a possible skill to learn in humans. https://t.co/lc3jvQCIxblooks dumb as shit when I do it tho, lol.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis In people don't have vision, they'll move their hands and their head in really interesting patterns that make more sense when you frame it as a sensory saccade like the whiskers of a mouse or a cat. Sensing airflow+vibrations is my guess.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis An interesting tangential observation is that hearing abnormalities that only affect one ear is common in autism and multiple sclerosis. Been learning how to spot this head movement: https://t.co/KdfBVFMWvl as a diagnostic tell. (think 'poker tell').

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis When the power goes out, I can sense all this sound stuff better. I think it's the mains hum.Lately I've been bothered a lot by hearing sound from capacitors within ultrasonic occupancy detectors. Lots of hum in CFLs are due to frequency transformations.https://t.co/iFepTjkCnG

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UltimApe@ultimapeabout 5 years ago

Did you know that most cheap clocks use the mains hum as a way to keep time?https://t.co/IdwTWN6BbMYour daily rhythms controlled by the power grid.Deep Metaphor this.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis My entire family hear these things. I didn't realize what it was until my electronics engineering coursework in college. Not many people really understand how these things work, much less care about them. Maybe some audiophilies might.https://t.co/4h0pO88WXN

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis I diagnosed a miswiring in our campus' radio station b/c the sound was out of phase when I was listening on headphones. Took me referencing 6 papers and a lot of annoying of the head of the radio club before they looked at the wiring. It was exactly as I predicted. Sound is hard.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis Most of things that people complain about "EMF" on are things like giant wind power installations and being near electrical transformers. They look online and see 'EMF', but no one ever controls for sound.It's only just started being researched in mice https://t.co/Sl3rbsrXms

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis So complaints of illness and unease/anxiety may actually be grounded (heh) in acoustic effects impacting the immune system and gut microbiota. Because 'EMF' is a fake explanation, it's often chocked up to a psychology thing.The obvious answer is its a psycho-acoustic effect.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis So if it is a 'sound' issue, the mental model of "EMF" would actually still work in most cases. Moving the source of sound away from you would be the same as moving a source of EMF. The rest can be driven people's anxiety over it leading to a feedback loop.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis In a lot of the studies that 'disproved' the effect, the showed that even when a WIFI transmitter was turned off, people still complained. They don't control for actually shutting off the mains in any of the experiments I read.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis Similarly motor sounds from plumbing pumps, heating fans resonating thru ductwork, and a whole host of sound sources all seem to be ignored. And because the focus is on 'EMF', everybody is running into stree-light effect bias, IMHO. https://t.co/bZWByFY8Oe

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis TL;DR: autistics are sensitive to sound, and so are gut microbes.https://t.co/rEcWHjUYEsI was going to explore this exact space more, but then pandemic hit and all the places I respond poorly to were cut off.https://t.co/5eWJnBVH6u

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 5 years ago

Going to have a lot of fun this year while trying to find out what triggers my acoustic habituation responses.I think it's a feedback loop between my immune system and responses to mosquito.What does mosquito saliva smell like?https://t.co/LXh0A8bzYk https://t.co/L9aK5kVBDh

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis Been on my radar for a while.https://t.co/gbKW0wNObw

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UltimApe@ultimapeover 8 years ago

Dishabituation and the Acoustic Startle Response.Wincing in pain at the growl of thunder.https://t.co/QszAcQei0z

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis I even found a direct causal mechanism for how microbiota might be reducing the startle response. Tho that isn't quite the same as the weird overactivity of the tympanic membrane oddities and hyperacusis.https://t.co/blmlvey9rm

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 6 years ago

Woke up and saw this."The microbiota-deficient mice were unable to update their response, and showed persistent fearful behaviour long after control animals had adapted."https://t.co/ashYppGqzKRight on schedule; my mouth watered in sync with my circadian rhythm.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis FWIW, I don't know of anybody else who has seen the connection between EMF and Soundwaves. My mental model seems to be an outlier, and conflicts with both pro and anti EMF groups.

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis One of the simple tests I can do is that I should be able to induce the same brain waves patterns attributed to "EMF" by simply piping sound into an otherwise EMF free room. Tho the actual brainscanning tech being a source of EMF complicates things.https://t.co/OOnCG4AmIl

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago

"They looked for Broca's area, a key area of the frontal lobe used for language and speech production. The overlap between the brain region identified as Broca's area by DOT data and by fMRI scans was about 75 percent."https://t.co/bJ65amw5vO 😏https://t.co/Hcg1rmd02v

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UltimApe@ultimapealmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ultimape

@JimmyRis In mice, it seems possible to stick optical fiber into their brains and watch infra-red signals while still having the electronic components far enough away (and sheilded) to avoid measurable EMF associated gauss readings. Not fair to mice tho.

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