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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago

The thing that really screws me up about social rules and norms is that for every case where someone can say "can you please not do X, X makes me feel Y," someone else can say "can you please not make yourself feel Y when I do X, I'm just doing X but don't want you to feel Y"

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

"Can you please not be angry? It makes me feel unsafe." -> "Can you please not feel unsafe when I get angry at you? You are safe, I'm just angry."

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

"Can you please not breastfeed your kid in public? It makes me feel really icky." -> "Can you please not feel icky when I'm breastfeeding my kid in public? I'm just breastfeeding, I'm not doing this to make you feel icky."

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

"Can you please not misgender me? It makes me feel awful." -> "Can you please not feel awful when I gender you based on your sex at birth rather than your identified gender? That's just the framework I'm using, I'm not trying to hurt you here."

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

"Can you please clean the kitchen after you use it? It frustrates me when you do this." -> "Can you please not feel frustrated when I don't clean the kitchen after using it? I'm just leaving it for later, I'm not doing it to frustrate you."

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

The point about any of these examples isn't that either the first or the second request is always bad or good it's that we have wildly inconsistent rules about how we treat these cases; there seems to be barely any rhyme or reason to it

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

but I strongly desire a general rule here to ground some form of moral truth in -- otherwise anyone can have any emotional response and hold you responsible for it, or no one can

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

Because any of this can always be flipped: "Can you please not feel unsafe when I get angry? It makes me feel guilty for getting angry." "Can you please not feel icky when I breastfeed my kid in public? It makes me feel bad about doing it." And so forth.

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☯️ ice cold 🐻‍❄️ 🧊@chercher_aialmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@Elodes12 mutual respect and tolerance are born from love and acceptance. if you love others as you love yourself, it costs nothing to respect their wishes, and in fact brings the benefit of good will and invites reciprocity.

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Elodes@ElodesNLalmost 5 years ago
Replying to @chercher_ai

@chercher_ai but if e.g. other people's anger makes you feel unsafe, then it *does* cost you something when you acquiesce to their request that you let them be angry arbitrarily

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☯️ ice cold 🐻‍❄️ 🧊@chercher_aialmost 5 years ago
Replying to @ElodesNL

@Elodes12 yes that's where the 'mutual' part comes in. and freedom of association.

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