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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago

The older I get the more it sinks in that 90% of effectiveness is just taking a thing seriously enough. That translates to just wanting the thing itself rather than adjacent things that may or may not happen as a side effect. Most things sort themselves out if you’re serious.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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When you’re serious, you are naturally efficient because you don’t get distracted by side goals. You’re naturally as productive as needed because under or overshooting what you seriously want.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Most of the time ambiguity in goal-setting is not about wanting the wrong thing or being confused about means-ends matches. It is about wanting the thing wrong. You want to want the thing-itself. The naked, nominal, stated goal, not psychologically adjacent bullshit.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Half of experience is recognizing when you want the thing versus when you want the thing only because you unconsciously want something else that’s a potential side effect you don’t want to cop to.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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The inefficiency of unacknowledged goals cannot be six-sigmaed away. If you’re working out to look good or for endorphin rush l, but pretending to work out for strength/health (even to yourself) the dissonance will make you ineffective at both. https://t.co/8YUKeg1v7c

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 6 years ago

🤔 In my Seattle gym there were 3 power racks and often all in use but dumbbell area generally open. In LA it’s the reverse. Lots of people doing dumbells, but 2 power racks usually open. The LA people all have sculpted upper bodies too. Hollywood aesthetic workout?

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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There’s something like “starter” motivation though. Many entrepreneurs start out with chip-on-shoulder motives, like wanting to prove their worth to some bully who punched them at age 8. But the good ones eventually graduate to wanting the actual thing they’re building.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Motivation is a skill. Wanting things is not something you can just “do” beyond lollipop level at age 3. You have to learn to zoom in on the thing that vaguely attracts you, with enough precision that the motivational feedback loop kicks in. Like a starter motor.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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This means iterating through various configurations of means and ends, laying on your couch, until the energy surge kicks in and gets you off the couch knowing precisely what to do. Energy must match precision. Otherwise you’re still confused.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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If you feel like you’re going to bust through lack of clarity about what you actually want with raw force, you’re in for disappointment. Motivational ambiguity and uncertainty is not the same as environmental uncertainty and ambiguity. It doesn’t yield to brute force.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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The 20s are easy. Almost everything people think they want turns out to be indirectly about wanting sex or a partner (or dealing with inability to get them). Once you sort out your feelings about that, motivation around other things gets much simpler. Things get messy at age 30.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Kids know how to actually want things until they turn into teens. Then it gets so hard, they start failing badly at it, attribute it to “angst” and decide they’ll never be able to want things with the clarity of 8-year-olds again. Not true. Just gotta learn adult version.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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A lot of goal-selection precision is just emotional range in disguise. The more feelings you’ve felt, and the wider the range of intensities, the more the right goals will click unmistakably in any situation. Gen Z seems to be rediscovering Gendlin/focusing for training this.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Verbal precision is equally important for complex goals though. Goal-motivation-fit is the right word or phrase locking into the right precise emotion about a thing.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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For simpler, more somatic goals, something like the description of archery in Herrigel’s Zen and the art of archery is a good guide. Or the inner game of tennis. But for something like a large corporate team project, words become necessary.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Hollywood has a good model for this, in terms of the high concept of movie pitches.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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A bad failure mode is when means are clearer than ends. You half-ass learning to want “get a good job” because the means, “do well in college” doesn’t require that clarity of purpose. Then you get the job and realize you don’t want it because you never interrogated the goal.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Incompletion typo in tweet 2. Should read “because under or overshooting what you seriously want kills motivation”

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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A big part of locking on to motivationally sustainable goals is learning to quit unsustainable ones. This means taking “not feeling it” feeling seriously. It’s almost always a necessary and sufficient reason to quit. Or phone it in at bare minimum if you can’t quit practically.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Emotional fail fast heuristic. Sometimes this is misleading, but usually there’s something off internally. And often externally as well (missing information, felt but unarticulated risk, etc) Move fast and break things. Feel fast and break goals. Crash early, crash often.

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Venkatesh Rao ☀️@vgrabout 5 years ago
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Sometimes you can name the reason for quitting (eg “afraid”) and that itself can supply a new motivation for doing it (“build courage”). But then you’ll do it differently. Like running at the high risk part instead of navigating around it wondering why you’re doing it at all.

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Michael Lim@mikawl_limabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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Eli Tyre@EpistemicHopeabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @threadreaderapp unroll

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Tanuj Bhojwani@tanujbabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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Jojo@jojomonsta7777about 5 years ago
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@vgr thank you for this, i will no longer question if i should really quit my undergrad

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7/12/2020
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taimur@taimurabdaalabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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7/21/2020
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Armand@armandcognettaabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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8/2/2020
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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisabout 5 years ago
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@vgr https://t.co/6J6EDvGEGv https://t.co/X0C3p1a3Wg

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisover 5 years ago

Interrogate Your Whys

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisabout 5 years ago
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@vgr https://t.co/6J6EDvGEGv https://t.co/X0C3p1a3Wg

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisover 5 years ago

Interrogate Your Whys

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𝔸𝕘𝕖𝕣𝕖 𝕤𝕚𝕔𝕦𝕥 𝔻𝕖𝕦𝕤🛡️𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕤@dbabbittabout 5 years ago
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@vgr It might be just a byproduct of of forced schooling, an artifact of industrial manufacturing.

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisabout 5 years ago
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@vgr Related: https://t.co/Jv8Jy0Kbgq https://t.co/DutEx0iiGB

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisover 5 years ago

@rSanti97 You can't argue with the productivity gains realized by a healthy relationship with death

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisabout 5 years ago
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@vgr Related: https://t.co/Jv8Jy0Kbgq https://t.co/DutEx0iiGB

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james, the giant peach@JimmyRisover 5 years ago

@rSanti97 You can't argue with the productivity gains realized by a healthy relationship with death

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Guy HAS FINISHED WRITING THE BOOK (BETA)@nosilvervabout 5 years ago
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@vgr 2h ago 😁https://t.co/e2wuYOYaVL https://t.co/OptIF3pfeT

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Guy HAS FINISHED WRITING THE BOOK (BETA)@nosilvervabout 5 years ago

Dont aim at what you roundabout, Kinda, instrumentally want. Aim at PRECISELY and FULLY what you want

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Guy HAS FINISHED WRITING THE BOOK (BETA)@nosilvervabout 5 years ago
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@vgr 2h ago 😁https://t.co/e2wuYOYaVL https://t.co/OptIF3pfeT

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Guy HAS FINISHED WRITING THE BOOK (BETA)@nosilvervabout 5 years ago

Dont aim at what you roundabout, Kinda, instrumentally want. Aim at PRECISELY and FULLY what you want

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Deepu Asok@Deepuasokabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @threadreaderapp unroll

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Benjamin Parry@_benjaminparryabout 5 years ago
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@vgr Beautifully articulated 🙏 Thank you for this. Thinking alone similar lines this morning https://t.co/CyqIlo0CLi

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Guy HAS FINISHED WRITING THE BOOK (BETA)@nosilvervabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @meditationstuff Youll love this

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Patrick Farley | expert generalist@PatrickDFarleyabout 5 years ago
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@vgr I know you're a busy guy, but I just wrote something about exactly this. I don't go as deep as you do in your writing, but I hope to draw in people who haven't yet thought this way - https://t.co/48pCImAbEC

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Jordan Godbey@jordangodbeyabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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No@shitcapmgmtabout 5 years ago
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@vgr Damn B

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Tomáš Kafka@tomaskafkaabout 5 years ago
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@vgr Just yesterday there is @stevesi about wanting the thing on a company scale, very similar: https://t.co/9UJ5kfiZNG

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🔆 Oliver@Ol_Wallabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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Dan@dan4ortoabout 5 years ago
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@vgr Particular thoughts on motivation modes in people in their 50’s ?

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Satya@snarayanabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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Garlic Hero@BuffGarlicHeroabout 5 years ago
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@vgr For a long time I ignored my desire to do "bad" things. I have a strong need to be in danger and to work from there. Briefly considered a life of crime and the military, but decided against it, because ethics and disobedience. Now working towards pentesting.

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Hazard@natural_hazardabout 5 years ago
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@BuffGarlicHero @vgr omg, yes. I can remember cursing the existence of my morality when I was 12 cuz it meant I could never be a bank robber

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Matt Jugo@Jeanvaljean689about 5 years ago
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@vgr I'm 100% on board, here, but I also think there's even another level, which is to want what is *beyond* the thing. There's often a deep layer of meaning to the things we "want". It's like swinging an axe at wood - you aim past the wood, chopping the wood is a byproduct of that.

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Dhawal Sharma@thebreakingwiseabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @johnsalvatier @readwiseio save thread

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Nick Webb@nickwebbabout 5 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save

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Joel Pimentel@nonavgJoelover 4 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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Spencer🙏🔍📚🥕🚲🧘‍♂️🚐🌐@spencemo_cover 4 years ago
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@vgr @threader_app compile

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Kenton Brede 🔍@kentonbredeabout 4 years ago
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@vgr @readwiseio save thread

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Ephi@Ephi_BLover 3 years ago
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@vgr One of the tangible things Pirsig got explicitly 'correct'

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