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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago

everybody owes each other stuff, we call this society then people invented coin to represent this debt and trade it around, we call this money the trade of debt ebbs and flows in massive and complex global patterns, we call this the economy https://t.co/SoCh2dJt6I

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2/25/2020
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Jakeup@yashkaf• over 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv It's kinda missing the part where stuff gets made. That's the actual economy, the rest is bookkeeping.

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2/25/2020
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago
Replying to @yashkaf

@yashkaf That’s part of the exchange of debt https://t.co/9pNV2ud0ZX https://t.co/vtFnRALc1V

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

For centuries, explorers have been trying unsuccessfully to find this fabled land of barter. The main economic institution among the Iroquois nations were longhouses where most goods were stockpiled and then allocated by women’s councils. No one ever traded arrowheads for meat https://t.co/etsTQTcKjl

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2/25/2020
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Jakeup@yashkaf• over 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv I'm really confused. Are you saying that making and consuming are an incidental side effect, and exchanging debts is the core thing? What would the debts even be about if not the fact that people need to somehow separate the making and the consuming across people and across time?

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2/25/2020
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago
Replying to @yashkaf

@yashkaf Not an “incidental side effect” - a *manifestation* of. Debt predates the modern consumer economy. It might be more intuitive if you frame it as promises

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2/26/2020
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago
Replying to @yashkaf

@yashkaf That’s part of the exchange of debt https://t.co/9pNV2ud0ZX https://t.co/vtFnRALc1V

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

For centuries, explorers have been trying unsuccessfully to find this fabled land of barter. The main economic institution among the Iroquois nations were longhouses where most goods were stockpiled and then allocated by women’s councils. No one ever traded arrowheads for meat https://t.co/etsTQTcKjl

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2/25/2020
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Jakeup@yashkaf• over 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv I'm really confused. Are you saying that making and consuming are an incidental side effect, and exchanging debts is the core thing? What would the debts even be about if not the fact that people need to somehow separate the making and the consuming across people and across time?

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2/25/2020
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago
Replying to @yashkaf

@yashkaf Not an “incidental side effect” - a *manifestation* of. Debt predates the modern consumer economy. It might be more intuitive if you frame it as promises

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2/26/2020
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Gnostrils@gnostrils• over 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv So would the/an economy exist without debt?

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2/26/2020
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago
Replying to @moonboi_

@rothosphere “Without debt” is a very alien concept, like “without emotion”. I don’t know how to imagine it

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2/26/2020
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Gnostrils@gnostrils• over 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Yo @davidgraeber is "economy without debt" a sensical concept?

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2/26/2020
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

how it started / how it’s going https://t.co/6f6IJ4tZn8

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3/19/2023
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Patrick McKenzie@patio11• over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv It is much more elegant and useful than popularly perceived to be!

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3/19/2023
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 2 years ago
Replying to @patio11

@patio11 entertaining, too!

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3/19/2023
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Nathan 🔎@NathanpmYoung• over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv I sort of sense this misses out that at some points people didn't owe racket stuff but then it became beneficial to trade. But yes I agree there are kinda of owing that aren't resource based and these are very old.

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3/19/2023
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 2 years ago
Replying to @NathanpmYoung

@NathanpmYoung I wasn’t even thinking about rackets fwiw

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3/19/2023
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Nathan 🔎@NathanpmYoung• over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv ignore the word racket lol. no idea how typed that. but funny that the sentence still works.

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3/19/2023
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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 2 years ago
Replying to @NathanpmYoung

@NathanpmYoung oh I thought you meant like protection rackets lmfao

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3/19/2023
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Nathan 🔎@NathanpmYoung• over 2 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv Yeah and then I was like "wait is that an interesting point?" Society is kind of like a protection racket. Be normal or we chuck you out. in some way money protects from that.

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3/19/2023